Creighton, If you look at the Odyssey technical manual for
the p680 you will find they give 8 hrs for a 2amp
discharge rate and 5hrs for the 3amp discharge. Perhaps
what you say applies to ordinary lead acd batteries but
not to the superior technology of the Odyssey.
Regards, David Joyce, G - XSDJ
crouton <crouton@well.com> wrote:
><crouton@well.com>
>
> This is an interesting thread.
> But we must all keep in mind that the "nominal" 17 amp
>hours of the Odyssey battery (or of any other) is
>predicated on a 20 hour discharge rate and has an
>endpoint of 11volts.
> Therefore any discharge rate over one (1) amp will
>result in a battery capacity of far under 17ah. At even
>at a 3 amp discharge rate a fresh Odyssey 17 ah battery
>will be perilously close to complete discharge after 3
>hours.
>Food for thought.
>
> Creighton Smith Classic EFI 912
>
> Sent from my iPad
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>> 1. 03:42 AM - Re: Re: Battery questions (David
>>Joyce)
>> 2. 03:56 AM - Re: Classic Centre Console
>> (spcialeffects)
>> 3. 04:21 AM - Dummy spars (spcialeffects)
>> 4. 05:09 AM - Re: Re: Classic Centre Console (Carl
>>Pattinson)
>> 5. 06:42 AM - KEVV - Evansville Indiana EAA Chapter
>>21 Wings and Wheels this weekend (Steve Eberhart)
>> 6. 08:16 AM - Re: Dummy spars (Andrew Sarangan)
>> 7. 08:43 AM - Re: Dummy spars (David Joyce)
>> 8. 08:49 AM - Re: Dummy spars (Richard Wheelwright)
>> 9. 10:00 AM - Re: Dummy spars (Rob Housman)
>> 10. 01:39 PM - Re: Battery questions (Alan Carter)
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>> ________________________________ Message 1
>> _____________________________________
>>
>>
>> From: "David Joyce" <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
>> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Battery questions
>>
>>
>>
>> Alan, I work on the assumption that if I keep my Odyssey
>> battery in good nick and replace it before it dies then
>>I
>> should have a significant proportion of the nominal17
>>amp
>> hrs available when/if the rectifier packs up. The Rotax
>> maintenance manual gives the current demands of the pump
>> as 2 amps at lower pressures rising to 3 at highest
>> pressure. With the ammeter fitted to my plane I can
>> readily see what usage I have as I switch off
>>inessential
>> items. As I remember it when my rectifier packed up over
>> the North Sea the fuel pump took something nearer 2 amps
>> than 3 with radio on as well.
>> I wouldn't rely on being able to fly for lots of
>> hours over sea but would be pretty comfortable about
>> flying a few hours over land to get home, rather than
>>put
>> down somewhere totally inconvenient and get stuck until
>>a
>> new rectifier arrived. For glider pilots this is after
>> all, the normal modus operandi, and you get to be fairly
>> relaxed about popping it into a field if your means of
>> staying airborne disappears!
>> Regards, David Joyce, G-XSDJ
>>
>> "Alan Carter" <alancarteresq@onetel.net> wrote:
>>> <alancarteresq@onetel.net>
>>>
>>> Hi David.
>>> You have flown to some wonderful places, Im UK only no
>>> longer have that confidence, when i was in my 20s yes I
>>> would have.
>>> Im no expert on the plane never looked into it, but all
>>> the planes I have flown the engine is entirely separate
>>> from the aircrafts electrics and you have just confirmed
>>> that with Master off and Alternator off and the a pump
>>> and spark keeps the engine going, or should do.
>>> So the spark is not influenced by either switch,
>>> and the pump get it power from either a separate circuit
>>> within the Alternator or the battery which will slowly
>>> run down.
>>> Rotax must say somewhere how long you have on battery
>>> and pump only.
>>> or maybe not?
>>> We know with the Master and Alternator off the engine
>>> will run OK.
>>> But with a serviceable system how do I check its failure
>>> capabilities ??
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Alan
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
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>> Subject: Europa-List: Re: Classic Centre Console
>> From: "spcialeffects" <spcialeffects@aol.com>
>>
>>
>> So after much thought I have decided to do mod 24,
>>however I'm abit scared to make
>> the first cut of the centre console as it seems to be
>>quite a drastic mod
>> to get extra bum room but I am going to do it. I just
>>wanted to ask, before I
>> start it, to anyone here who has done this mod if they
>>could post some pictures,
>> give any tips but most of all how far into the tunnel
>>did you go? I.e how much
>> extra bum space did you achieve. Now the instruction
>>sheet I have says to
>> make sure you miss the rudder cables and flap arm but I
>>am looking at doing this
>> mod with the bear module so it is easier to lay up the
>>inside so any measurements
>> would be appricated. Failing all of that if you are
>>selling an XS module
>> please contact me also. Thanks Frank
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=410863#410863
>>
>>
>> ________________________________ Message 3
>> _____________________________________
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>>
>> Subject: Europa-List: Dummy spars
>> From: "spcialeffects" <spcialeffects@aol.com>
>>
>>
>> If anyone has a set of dummy spars I could borrow or buy
>>I would be very grateful
>> as this will allow me to put my fuselage in many more
>>positions within my workshop
>> then rigging the wings. Thank Frank
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=410864#410864
>>
>>
>> ________________________________ Message 4
>> _____________________________________
>>
>>
>> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Classic Centre Console
>> From: Carl Pattinson <carl@flyers.freeserve.co.uk>
>>
>>
>> I don't have a copy of mod 24 to hand but seem to
>>remember the factory method was
>> a bit of a "bodge" IMHO which is why we opted for a
>>different solution. We
>> created our LA inserts on the workbench (in the shape of
>>a half kidney) then
>> reduxed them onto the hole we had cut in the cockpit
>>module sides - then 4 layers
>> of bid inside and outside at the join edges for added
>>strength.
>>
>> I would be inclined to leave this as late in the build
>>as possible as you really
>> need the swinging arm and tyre in place to get an
>>accurate fit. We got it wrong
>> first time around and the tyre jammed in the up position
>>- solved that little
>> hitch by fitting a narrower tyre and judicious use of a
>>hot air gun to reform
>> the bulge in the LA inserts.
>>
>> With hindsight I think it would be possible to construct
>>the innermost bid layer
>> of the LA bulge once the wheel was in place. It would
>>then be relatively easy
>> (once cured) to bond in the thin foam layer and complete
>>the outside layers
>> of bid from outside. If you had access to a vacuum pump
>>you could vacuum mould
>> the foam and bid layers onto the original inner layers
>>of glass which would give
>> a strong air free structure.
>>
>> I have some pics somewhere - will try and dig them out.
>>
>> Carl Pattinson
>> G-LABS
>>
>>
>> Sent from my ASUS Pad
>>
>> spcialeffects <spcialeffects@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> So after much thought I have decided to do mod 24,
>>>however I'm abit scared to
>> make the first cut of the centre console as it seems to
>>be quite a drastic mod
>> to get extra bum room but I am going to do it. I just
>>wanted to ask, before I
>> start it, to anyone here who has done this mod if they
>>could post some pictures,
>> give any tips but most of all how far into the tunnel
>>did you go? I.e how
>> much extra bum space did you achieve. Now the
>>instruction sheet I have says to
>> make sure you miss the rudder cables and flap arm but I
>>am looking at doing this
>> mod with the bear module so it is easier to lay up the
>>inside so any measurements
>> would be appricated. Failing all of that if you are
>>selling an XS module
>> please contact me also. Thanks Frank
>>>
>>>
>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>
>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=410863#410863
>>
>>
>> ________________________________ Message 5
>> _____________________________________
>>
>>
>> From: Steve Eberhart <steve@newtech.com>
>> Subject: Europa-List: KEVV - Evansville Indiana EAA
>>Chapter 21 Wings and Wheels
>> this weekend
>>
>>
>> Our Third Annual Wings and Wheels event is this
>>Saturday
>>
>>
>> We have had over 200 Cruisers at each of our first
>>two Wings and
>> Wheels This year should continue building on our
>>great start.
>> Cruise-In or Fly-In and help us set a new
>>attendance record this year
>>
>>
>> 10:00 AM till 3:00 PM Central time.
>>
>>
>> Tri-State Aero (KEVV), Ramp and Parking Lot.
>>
>>
>> Here are some pics of previous Wings and wheels.
>> Our 2013 Wings
>> and Wheels event will be at Tri-State Aero October
>>19th, 2013.
>>
>>
>> http://www.eaa21.org/WingsandWheels.jpg
>>
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ka1Sg7tmULc
>>
>> http://www.eaa21.org/coppermine1/thumbnails.php?album=2
>>
>>
>> ________________________________ Message 6
>> _____________________________________
>>
>>
>> From: Andrew Sarangan <asarangan@gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Dummy spars
>>
>>
>> I do have a dummy spar which I have no use for, so I can
>>send it to
>> you if needed.
>>
>> On the other hand, I wouldn't recommend using the dummy
>>spars for
>> aligning the spars to the cockpit module. It only takes
>>a fraction of
>> a mm misalignment of the bushings to make the pin
>>insertion and
>> retraction very stiff.
>>
>>
>>> On Sat, Oct 19, 2013 at 7:20 AM, spcialeffects
>>><spcialeffects@aol.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> If anyone has a set of dummy spars I could borrow or buy
>>>I would be very grateful
>> as this will allow me to put my fuselage in many more
>>positions within my
>> workshop then rigging the wings. Thank Frank
>>>
>>>
>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>
>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=410864#410864
>>
>>
>> ________________________________ Message 7
>> _____________________________________
>>
>>
>> From: "David Joyce" <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
>> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Dummy spars
>>
>>
>>
>> Frank, I would advise making your own, lining them up
>> precicely on your wing spars and only doing it when you
>> are ready to use them. If they are made of wood or most
>> anything non metallic there is a danger of change in
>> humidity altering their dimensions oherwise. Regards,
>> David Joyce, G-XSDJ
>>
>> Andrew Sarangan <asarangan@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> <asarangan@gmail.com>
>>>
>>> I do have a dummy spar which I have no use for, so I can
>>> send it to
>>> you if needed.
>>>
>>> On the other hand, I wouldn't recommend using the dummy
>>> spars for
>>> aligning the spars to the cockpit module. It only takes
>>> a fraction of
>>> a mm misalignment of the bushings to make the pin
>>> insertion and
>>> retraction very stiff.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Oct 19, 2013 at 7:20 AM, spcialeffects
>>> <spcialeffects@aol.com> wrote:
>>>> <spcialeffects@aol.com>
>>>>
>>>> If anyone has a set of dummy spars I could borrow or buy
>>>> I would be very grateful as this will allow me to put my
>>>> fuselage in many more positions within my workshop then
>>>> rigging the wings. Thank Frank
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>>
>>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=410864#410864
>>>
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>> ________________________________ Message 8
>> _____________________________________
>>
>>
>> Subject: Europa-List: Re: Dummy spars
>> From: "Richard Wheelwright" <rpwheelwright@yahoo.co.uk>
>>
>>
>> Frank,
>>
>> I also recommend using the wings.
>>
>> I also have a dummy spar you can have (Never Used)
>>
>> --------
>> Richard Wheelwright
>> G-IRPW
>> First Flight 24th July 2013
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=410872#410872
>>
>>
>> ________________________________ Message 9
>> _____________________________________
>>
>>
>> From: "Rob Housman" <rob@hyperion-ef.com>
>> Subject: RE: Europa-List: Dummy spars
>>
>>
>> I must take exception to the part about "...make the pin
>>insertion and
>> retraction very stiff." In my case the word
>>"impossible" is substituted for
>> "stiff." The "dummy" in dummy spar is the builder who
>>uses it.
>>
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Rob Housman
>> Europa XS A070
>> Rotax 914
>> Airframe complete
>> Avionics a work in progress
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On
>>Behalf Of Andrew Sarangan
>> Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2013 8:16 AM
>> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Dummy spars
>>
>>
>> I do have a dummy spar which I have no use for, so I can
>>send it to you if
>> needed.
>>
>> On the other hand, I wouldn't recommend using the dummy
>>spars for aligning
>> the spars to the cockpit module. It only takes a
>>fraction of a mm
>> misalignment of the bushings to make the pin insertion
>>and retraction very
>> stiff.
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Oct 19, 2013 at 7:20 AM, spcialeffects
>><spcialeffects@aol.com>
>> wrote:
>>> --> <spcialeffects@aol.com>
>>>
>>> If anyone has a set of dummy spars I could borrow or buy
>>>I would be
>>> very grateful as this will allow me to put my fuselage
>>>in many more
>>> positions within my workshop then rigging the wings.
>>>Thank Frank
>>>
>>>
>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>
>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=410864#410864
>>
>>
>> ________________________________ Message 10
>> ____________________________________
>>
>>
>> Subject: Europa-List: Re: Battery questions
>> From: "Alan Carter" <alancarteresq@onetel.net>
>>
>>
>> Hi David.
>> That all seems reasonable, nothing to gripe there,
>>
>> But to check the wiring and operation of a working
>>serviceable system, and see
>> it is functioning correctly as per wiring if correctly
>>done, as there is no testing
>> circuit, I guess the only way is to have the engine
>>running and remove on
>> of the battery leads, to check the engine and pumps will
>>solely running on the
>> power from the Alternator. Maybe some one has a better
>>way to check this.
>>
>> Regards
>> Alan
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=410884#410884
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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