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Re: Europa-List: StructuraL failure or?

Subject: Re: Europa-List: StructuraL failure or?
From: Duncan & Ami McFadyean <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 10:38:09

On the other hand, I have had one of the little plastic bushes in the T-bar 
fall out during derigging, although this was spotted before the next flight. 
But what could have been the consequence had it not been spotted?

Duncan Mcf.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Carl Pattinson" <carl@flyers.freeserve.co.uk>
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 10:10 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: StructuraL failure or?


> <carl@flyers.freeserve.co.uk>
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> Please be assured you would know if you attempted a takeoff with the T bar 
> disconnected - I have done it !!!!
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> On commencing the takeoff run the stick was VERY back heavy such that when 
> I started to ease the stick forwards I assumed the controls were jammed 
> and aborted the takeoff. Gravity makes the trim tabs hang down forcing the 
> trailing edge of the tailplanes upwards. As this is the normal position 
> for takeoff (stick hard back till airspeed is reached), the problem dosent 
> become obvious till the pilot tries to move the stick forward in order to 
> raise the tailplane. Believe me it isnt something you could miss.
>
> If only one of the pins was engaged this would disengage fairly rapidly. 
> Even if this didnt occurr there would still be a substantial force acting 
> on the disengaged tailplane which would be hard to miss. It is unlikely 
> that this could be trimmed out using the trim servo.
>
> Carl Pattinson
> G-LABS
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "josok" <josok-e@ukolo.fi>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 3:23 PM
> Subject: Europa-List: StructuraL failure or?
>
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>> Hi All,
>> As far as i know there is still no conclusion from the AAIB about the 
>> cause of this one and only structural failure. It keeps buzzing in my 
>> mind. It is a fact that there should be no slop in tail planes, that the 
>> bushes should be secure, and that wing pins should be properly attached. 
>> Period.
>> But was it the cause off the accident? Speed 90 knots, no abnormal 
>> movements, then suddenly very steep up and down movements, paper flying 
>> from the cabin. All according the AAIB report.
>> I received the following suggestion, which i think has not been 
>> communicated before: The plane was rigged by three persons. What if one 
>> of the anti-trim tab drive pins was not in but on the T-rod? Everything 
>> would look pretty much OK, feel pretty much OK, until the pin would pass 
>> the T-rod, on which the anti tab would become a  pro-tab. This would 
>> cause a violent movement, on which the pilots correction would cause 
>> another and so on, until destruction. It would explain the described up 
>> and down movements eh? Start shooting please!
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>> Regards,
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>> Jos Okhuijsen
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>> Visit -  www.EuropaOwners.org
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