I think the European builders (and those Americans that have worked so
hard to keep their weight down) should realize that us red white and
blue American builders have heavier planes due to the need for power
steering, power brakes, air conditioning and the 6 disc CD players (plus
of course the fridge to keep diet cokes in) that are standard on all
American Europas - obviously, as Glenn has pointed out, the correct
answer to extra weight is the American hot rod approach - there is no
substitute for cubic inches and extra horsepower -
Tongue in Cheek
Gary Leinberger
A237
Almost ready to put the cockpit module in.
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of nigel
charles
Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 1:48 AM
Subject: RE: Europa-List: What's up with the cost of 914?
It will be particularly interesting to see how Bob's change from the
Jabiru to the Rotax affects the performance and fuel economy of his
aircraft. I think it is the first time we will have such a conversion.
My guess is that the numbers will improve. The use of a gearbox and
liquid cooling should both contribute to better numbers. The Jabiru can
only produce full power at speeds over 3000rpm which is not good
efficiency for the prop. Air cooling (as proved by the automobile
industry) is definitely less efficient than liquid cooling. All this
should translate into better range and/or payload.
Nigel Charles
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From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
R.C.Harrison
Sent: 06 June 2007 00:08
Subject: RE: Europa-List: What's up with the cost of 914?
Hey! Paul /Graham all
If anyone knows about costs of 914 it's me ! Just settled up for one
and a new Woodcomp prop.!
BTW Paul HP is irrelevant master of all things is the TORQUE output at
the end of the shaft the prop fits to!
And the rate of fuel expenditure !
Looking forward to some real comparison flying or proving all my fellow
fliers have been bullshitting me !
Regards
Bob H G-PTAG
Robt.C.Harrison
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From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul
McAllister
Sent: 05 June 2007 23:37
Subject: RE: Europa-List: What's up with the cost of 914?
930 lb for a typical mono ? Well perhaps.
3 years ago I took the weight of 19 completed XS 914T Mono Europa's with
CS props and came up with an average of 865 lbs. Mine came in at 860
lbs and with what I know now I believe I could build it 20 lb lighter.
With that all said, your correct, all the HP you can muster during the
take off phase is highly desirable.
At the risk of sparking a debate, I found the 914 to be a game changer
for the aircrafts performance, but, I state this in the context of my
mission profile. I typically fly 2 legs of 400 nm in the 8000 ~ 12,000'
feet range. At this altitude I see 148 knots TAS with a fuel burn of
5.1 ~ 5.3 US gallons per hour.
Just my 2 cents worth.
Paul
N378PJ
617 hours and still grinning
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From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of glenn
crowder
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 9:40 AM
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: Europa-List: What's up with the cost of 914?
Well, its been a real easy lander for me, and I fly a mono
only on hard runways at high
altitudes. No ground loops, no "issues". Weight is identical
to most 914 powered monos with
CS props at 930 lbs. Too much power is just enough! Two up in
the summertime the 912S powered LSA's around my field are total dogs at
this altitude, barely clearing the power lines at the end of the field!
Glenn
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