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Re: Europa-List: Re: Silicone Hoses for the Rotax 912 / 914

Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Silicone Hoses for the Rotax 912 / 914
From: RCC Sky Mail <richard.churchillcoleman@sky.com>
Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 16:16:52

Bob

Thanks for sharing all that learning. I am also contemplating the silicon hoses
and I have the add on carb heaters which require coolant water round their 
jackets.
Do you have those too and if so do you need extra hose to connect those
or is there enough n the kit?

Richard CC


On 17 Sep 2012, at 15:21, Robert Borger <rlborger@mac.com> wrote:

> 
> Hi Alan,
> 
> 1. You are welcome.  Yes, there were 8 hoses shipped, including the two hoses
for the intercooler.  Some of these are cut to length for shorter hose.  The
intercooler hoses must be cut to fit.  If you do not have an intercooler, you'll
jus have a single hose from the turbo to the airbox.  
> 
> 2. The silicone hose is virtually permanent and should never require 
> replacement.
The rubber are not more sturdy.  They will degrade over time and MUST be
replaced on a regular basis.
> 
> 3. The coolant hose require spring clips as the coolant fixtures to which the
hose attach, expand and contract with the coolant temperature.  If you use a
screw clamp and tighten it fully when cold when the engine warms up, the fixture
expands and forces the hose into the screw clamp.  This causes eventual cutting
and failure of the hose.  If you adjust the screw clamp when the engine is
warm, then the fixture shrinks when it cools, it becomes loose and leaks.  The
spring clamps are constant tension clamps which account for the expansion and
contraction of the fittings keeping things properly tight.
> 
> 4. Depends on what stage in the build.  I believe you are working on a 
> completed,
flying aircraft.  It will take you longer as you will have to do some 
disassembly
to get at the hose fittings and then reassemble things after the hoses
have been replaced.  I'd bet that the disassembly/reassembly takes longer than
the actual hose replacement which is pretty quick, half hour to an hour maybe.
Since I'm not familiar with your aircraft and engine installation, I can
only make a very wild guess as to how long the disassembly/reassembly might 
take.
Probably you could accomplish the total task in 1 or 2 days if you are very
good with tools and have everything you need at hand.  Is there another 
Europaphile
anywhere near you who has done this task and could assist you.  Probably
make things go a lot quicker.
> 
> 5.  That was five years ago.  I do not remember.  Contact Stepahn Ingemarson,
he'll give you a current quote.
> 
> For 605  $985, I'd check with Stephan.  If you are going to have to replace 
> the
hoses anyway, why not do it right and go silicone.
> 
> Blue skies & tailwinds,
> Bob Borger
> Europa XS Tri, Rotax 914, Airmaster C/S Prop.
> Little Toot Sport Biplane, Lycoming Thunderbolt AEIO-320 EXP
> 3705 Lynchburg Dr.
> Corinth, TX  76208-5331
> Cel: 817-992-1117
> rlborger@mac.com
> 
> On Sep 17, 2012, at 8:19 AM, Alan Carter <alancarteresq@onetel.net> wrote:
> 
> 
> Hello rlborger.
> 1.Thanks for photo,s, the complete set counted from your photo,s seem to be 
> eight
hoses in total.
> 2.I notice that the hoses are thinner than the rubber ones , do you know of 
> the
advantages of Silicone do they last longer?,
> In your photo,s the rubber ones look more sturdy in appearance .
> 3. The hose clips, see you use the spring type and not the screw up type.
> is there a reason for this.
> 4. How long in time does a complete hose change take on average.
> 5.What did the silicone hoses cost approx.
> I checked the price of the Rotax 5 year rubber change kit, yesterday and was
told 605  $985
> 
> 
> Alan
> 
> 
> 
> 



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