Terry,
Y ouseem to be badmouthing a perfectly good engine just because you have a
problem
with yours. Some builders have their 912 S running as smooth as a sewing
machine.
Mine could be smoother, but then I have not yet done a carb or propeller
blade balance. Techniques for smooth startups and shutdowns were discussed
in detail recently on this forum. I have no idea about high altitude
performance,
but one owner claims 914 equivalent performance up to 10,000 feet. The 914
is obviously a better performer at really high altitudes. It should also be kept
in mind that early Europa builders did not have the choice of the S model.
I have read all the engine discussions and it seems that each type has had
reports
ranging from awful to wonderful. How is a newcomer supposed to make up his
mind ?
Karl
From: Terry Seaver terrys@cisco.com
Subject: Re: Europa-List: What engine for my Europa?
Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 09:53:15 -0800
-- Europa-List message posted by: Terry Seaver terrys@cisco.com
Hi Richard,
You didn't say where you do your flying.If you intend flying at
altitude like we do around the Sierra Nevadas, you might consider the
914 the best bet.
We have a mono-wheel XS with 912S and Airmaster prop.I would seriously
consider installing the 914 or Jabiru over the 912S, given our
experiences (we have over 400 hours on the plane/engine).
Issues I have with the 912S are:
1) It shakes the whole plane when starting and stopping, causing great
stress on any number of componants.Our exhaust system is in constant
need of repair because of this.An ignition wire probably broke because
of this.Standing outside the uncowled engine and watching the extreme
travel of the shaken componants can be a real eye opener.It is not
unusual to see +2G/0G on the panel mounted accelerometer following a
start or stop. I would guess the 912S is worse than the 914 because of
its higher compression.I would expect the Jabiru to be much smoother.
2) The 912S is a little anemic at high density altitudes.At 7,000+
feet the plane has difficulty accelerating past 55 knots on take off
until the gear/flaps are lifted a little.Climb rate at these altitudes
can also be lower than I would like.
3) The mixture becomes rich at altitude, negating the fuel economy
advantages of flying at altitude.The 914 is altitude compensating, and
I assume the Jabiru has a mixture control (?).
4) Although the Rotax is claimed to have a TBO of 1000 hours or greater
it is recommended that the gearbox be removed and sent in for check out
every 300-400 hours.There have also been suggestions that idling the
912S down to 1400 rpm can cause damage to the gearbox due to rough
idling.We idle our engine at about 1700-1800 rpm, which make the
landings a little hotter with the additional idle thrust.
just my two cents worth,
regards,
Terry Seaver
A135 / N135TD
Richard Sementilli wrote:
-- Europa-List message posted by: Richard Sementilli rsementi@gmail.com
I am down to 3 choices for an engine for my Europa.
1. Rotax 912S
2. Rotax 914
3. Jabiru 3300
I would like to get objective opinions and actual experiences from
anyone about the pro's and cons of each engine.
My first choice is the 914 because of the all around performance but
more than the huge price, I am worried about the complexity of the
engine as it relates to maintenance and overall reliability. I have
spoken to a few mechanics for Rotax but none of them have any
experience with the 914 turbo. They all say to keep it simple and go
with the 912 or the 3300. I agree but I'm willing to stretch that goal
iffeel that I could handle the burden of its complexity.
My most probable choice would be the 912S because it seems I can get
great performance (the same or better than the Jabiru 3300) with
relative ease of operation and mainenance, lighter weight, and
comparable price to the Jabiru. I've even found a mechanic that is
near (2 hours away) to my location. However, to the best of my
research, it is still a more complicated engine and drive unit than
the simple low reving Jabiru. It needs pump gas almost always, which
may not be easy to come by during cross country flights.
The Jabiru is the least expensive, most simple design, seems easier to
maintain, and is direct drive. However, it's less proven, heavier and
I can't find any repair facilities in the NY tristate area.
Am I missing any other engine possibilities that could be even a better choice?
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