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Re: Europa-List: Smell of petrol in the cocpit just after takeoff

Subject: Re: Europa-List: Smell of petrol in the cocpit just after takeoff
From: Richard Collings <rcollings@talktalk.net>
Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 20:21:00

Hi Gilles & Brian
Watching your email thread I would like to add my 2 pennies, I was aware 
that there was a problem with exhaust gasses entering the cabin through the 
flap slots on each side of the fuselage so I made a bulk head from the rear 
of the baggage bay floor to the floor of the aircraft [in 2 pieces] I am 
going to seal them air tight with foam rubber so that under the baggage bay 
is air tight to the cabin.
I have had only one problem associated with engine smells from the start and 
that is a smell of fuel when I switch on the electric fuel pump. Fuel 
pressure remain the same with fuel pump no or off. No leaks found so far its 
very strange.
Regards
Richard
G-CGZV Tri-gear 912ul 115hrs

-----Original Message----- 
From: Brian Davies
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 10:46 AM
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Smell of petrol in the cocpit just after takeoff


Hi Gilles,

I think leather bellows is probably the way to go.  I have been chasing
higher than normal CO levels on my aircraft, hence the research into
airflows from the engine compartment.  I have been looking at bellows around
the pitch tube behind the baggage bay to close off the airflow through the
flap slots and forward through the tunnel.  I am ,however, struggling to
understand why I should have a problem on my aircraft when others are not
reporting problems.

The trouble with measuring CO with a digital sensor is that once you know
the reading you feel you should do something about it, even if it is within
limits.  I am getting 11 - 20 ppm in cruise and up to 35ppm on approach with
the flaps down, with a normal limit of 50ppm for GA aircraft but zero would
be better!

Regards

Brian

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of GTH
Sent: 12 May 2015 23:31
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Smell of petrol in the cocpit just after takeoff


Brian,

Thank you for the information.
> I know it is good aero practice to have a gas tight FWL but on the
> Europa, with rudder cables passing through it, it is actually impossible
to achieve.

I would have thought that it could be easily addressed with leather bellows,
like on vintage aircraft.

> Also the external airflow from the engine area can attach to the lower
> fuselage and enter the flap slots.

This one beats me, but when there is a will there is a way...

Best regards,
Gilles
http://contrails.free.fr


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