Karl, I could copy relevant sections of my mk 2
installation manual to you if you tell me what you are
after. David Joyce, G-XSDJ
PS Don't get confused over the multiple David Joyces in
this message!
Karl Heindl <kheindl@msn.com> wrote:
> David,
> I was also looking for the installation manual, but
>without success. There is one website but they want my
>credit card details for a trial membership. Has Mark got
>it online somewhere ?
> regards Karl
>
> Date: Sun, 11 May 2014 14:31:30 +0100
>From: stranfaer@btinternet.com
> Subject: Europa-List: Smart Ass
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
>
> David
> I agree entirely, I have contacted Mark burton and he
>informs me the mark 2 version is in test and is a few
>months away. Cost appears to be very reasonable!
> Can you enlighten us all if it is retro fittable? and
>how easy to do particularly on a classic?rgdsDJ Sent to
>you by David Joyce
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> From:
> David Joyce <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Sunday, 11 May 2014, 11:42
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Europa-List: Re:
>Europa-List: Re: Europa-List: Re: Europa-List: Re:
>Europa-List: Europa Crash in Lbeck/Germany
>
><davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
>
> Graham, Sorry to be butting in on your debate with Tim,
>and I see where you are coming from now, but can I just
>add that the SmartASS is g compensated so it gives
>exactly the same 'margin over stall' information as an
>AOA device (and at a fraction of the price). It might
>appear that I am pushing this as if I had some
> commercial tie up, which is not the case. I am
>evangelical about it because we have now had (subject to
>confirmation in this latest case) 6 Europas lost to
>stall/spin accidents, an appalling statistic for a plane
>that flies so beautifully and is slippery enough not to
>lose speed rapidly. There have of course been countless
>crashes of other types also, but in our relatively small
>and tight knit Europa community it is truly sobering and
>we should all be asking ourselves are we confident of not
>becoming number 7.
> Regards, David Joyce, G-XSDJ
>
>
> GRAHAM SINGLETON <grahamsingleton@btinternet.com> wrote:
>> Tim
>> maybe we are mixing things a bit. ASI will measure
>>instantly changes in airspeed. When AoA changes aircraft
>>speed will not change instantly but will take several
>>seconds.
>>
> The force causing change of airspeed is increase or
>decrease in drag, usually quite a small force.
>> During take off acceleration is caused by engine thrust
>>and ASI will record speed of course, as soon as the
>>aircraft is flying AoA should quickly settle at best
>>climb.
>> Stall occurs at the same AoA whatever airspeed or total
>>weight is. (I'm thinking aloud here)
>> In fact best climb, cruise or glide speeds are also at
>>fixed AoAs. They are not at fixed airspeeds but
>> change as all up weight changes.
>> AoA is much the best primary flight control instrument.
>>That's why fast jets use it.
>> A pity AoA meters aren't mass produced like ASIs are!
>> best regards
>> Graham
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: houlihan <houlihan@blueyonder.co.uk>
>> To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, 11 May 2014,
>>8:34
>> Subject: Europa-List: Re: Europa-List: Re: Europa-List:
>>Re: Europa-List: Re: Europa-List: Europa Crash in
>>Lbeck/Germany
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi Graham.
>>
>> We may be talking apples against pears here BUT if what
>>you say is true then on takeoff I would be at 100'
>>thinking about retracting the undercarriage before the
>>ASI has moved from zero.
>>
>> I agree it takes time to accelerate or decelerate a
>>600kg mass but the pressure measurement showing movement
>>relative to the local air mass will be indicated within a
>>small fraction of a second even using our normal
>>mechanical manometers that are calibrated in airspeed and
>>could be even quicker using electronic pressure sensors
>>close to the pitot head.
>>
>> True an AOA or alpha system would be helpful but I
> just want to be warned if through lack of attention or
>being distracted I allow my speed to decay , these lack
>of attention or distraction events usually build up
>slowly without it being noticed and I would guess rarely
>happens over one or two seconds.
>>
>> best regards
>>
>> Tim
>>
>>
>>
>> On 10 May 2014 22:28, GRAHAM SINGLETON
>><grahamsingleton@btinternet.com> wrote:
>>
>> Tim
>>> don't think so , the ASI won't move (or shouldn't!)
>>>until the aircraft has accelerated, or worse slowed down
>>>and that takes many seconds.
>>> When it says "stall speed!" you.ve already stalled. Not
>>>a lot of use.
>>> Graham
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: houlihan <houlihan@blueyonder.co.uk>
>>> To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, 10 May
>>>2014, 14:31
>>> Subject: Europa-List: Re: Europa-List: Re: Europa-List:
>>>Europa Crash in Lbeck/Germany
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Graham.
>>>
>>>
>>> I think you may have put the decimal point in the wrong
>>>place. I appreciate what you are suggesting but 20
>>>seconds ?
>>> I bet the real figure is much less than a second.
>>> Mind you how would you measure the lag , my ASI seems to
>>>move at the speed of light at times.
>>>
>>>
>>> Tim
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 10 May 2014 13:19, GRAHAM SINGLETON
>>><grahamsingleton@btinternet.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Or an AoA meter as primary attitude/speed instrument.
>>>The ASI is always 20 seconds too late.
>>>> Very sad, I met Manfred while he was building. A very
>>>>nice man and a nice Europa.
>>>> Graham
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ________________________________
>>>> From: David Joyce <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
>>>> To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, 10 May
>>>>2014, 12:36
>>>> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Europa Crash in Lbeck/Germany
>>>>
>>>>
>
>>>><davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I strongly suspect that this another case where a
>>>>SmartASS or the equivalent might have saved them both.
>>>>David Joyce, G-XSDJ
>>>>
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