David=2C
I was also looking for the installation manual=2C but without success. Ther
e is one website but they want my credit card details for a trial membershi
p. Has Mark got it online somewhere ?
regards Karl
Date: Sun=2C 11 May 2014 14:31:30 +0100
From: stranfaer@btinternet.com
Subject: Europa-List: Smart Ass
David
I agree entirely=2C I have contacted Mark burton and he informs me the mark
2 version is in test and is a few months away. Cost appears to be very rea
sonable!
Can you enlighten us all if it is retro fittable? and how easy to do partic
ularly on a classic?rgdsDJ Sent to you by David Joyce
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From:=0A
David Joyce <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday=2C 11 May 2014=2C 11:42
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Europa-List: Re: Europa-List: Re: Europa-Li
st: Re: Europa-List: Re: Europa-List: Europa Crash in L=FCbeck/Germany
>
Graham=2C Sorry to be butting in on your debate with Tim=2C and I see where
you are coming from now=2C but can I just add that the SmartASS is g compe
nsated so it gives exactly the same 'margin over stall' information as an A
OA device (and at a fraction of the price). It might appear that I am pushi
ng this as if I had some=0A
commercial tie up=2C which is not the case. I am evangelical about it beca
use we have now had (subject to confirmation in this latest case) 6 Europas
lost to stall/spin accidents=2C an appalling statistic for a plane that fl
ies so beautifully and is slippery enough not to lose speed rapidly. There
have of course been countless crashes of other types also=2C but in our rel
atively small and tight knit Europa community it is truly sobering and we s
hould all be asking ourselves are we confident of not becoming number 7.
Regards=2C David Joyce=2C G-XSDJ
GRAHAM SINGLETON <grahamsingleton@btinternet.com> wrote:
> Tim
> maybe we are mixing things a bit. ASI will measure instantly changes in a
irspeed. When AoA changes aircraft speed will not change instantly but will
take several seconds.
>=0A
The force causing change of airspeed is increase or decrease in drag=2C us
ually quite a small force.
> During take off acceleration is caused by engine thrust and ASI will reco
rd speed of course=2C as soon as the aircraft is flying AoA should quickly
settle at best climb.
> Stall occurs at the same AoA whatever airspeed or total weight is. (I'm t
hinking aloud here)
> In fact best climb=2C cruise or glide speeds are also at fixed AoAs. They
are not at fixed airspeeds but
> change as all up weight changes.
> AoA is much the best primary flight control instrument. That's why fast j
ets use it.
> A pity AoA meters aren't mass produced like ASIs are!
> best regards
> Graham
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: houlihan <houlihan@blueyonder.co.uk>
> To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday=2C 11 May 2014=2C 8:34
> Subject: Europa-List: Re: Europa-List: Re: Europa-List: Re: Europa-List:
Re: Europa-List: Europa Crash in L=FCbeck/Germany
>
>
>
> Hi Graham.
>
> We may be talking apples against pears here BUT if what you say is true t
hen on takeoff I would be at 100' thinking about retracting the undercarria
ge before the ASI has moved from zero.
>
> I agree it takes time to accelerate or decelerate a 600kg mass but the pr
essure measurement showing movement relative to the local air mass will be
indicated within a small fraction of a second even using our normal mechani
cal manometers that are calibrated in airspeed and could be even quicker us
ing electronic pressure sensors close to the pitot head.
>
> True an AOA or alpha system would be helpful but I=0A
just want to be warned if through lack of attention or being distracted I
allow my speed to decay =2C these lack of attention or distraction events u
sually build up slowly without it being noticed and I would guess rarely ha
ppens over one or two seconds.
>
> best regards
>
> Tim
>
>
>
> On 10 May 2014 22:28=2C GRAHAM SINGLETON <grahamsingleton@btinternet.com>
wrote:
>
> Tim
>> don't think so =2C the ASI won't move (or shouldn't!) until the aircraft
has accelerated=2C or worse slowed down and that takes many seconds.
>> When it says "stall speed!" you.ve already stalled. Not a lot of use.
>> Graham
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: houlihan <houlihan@blueyonder.co.uk>
>> To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday=2C 10 May 2014=2C 14:31
>> Subject: Europa-List: Re: Europa-List: Re: Europa-List: Europa Crash in
L=FCbeck/Germany
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi Graham.
>>
>>
>> I think you may have put the decimal point in the wrong place. I appreci
ate what you are suggesting but 20 seconds ?
>> I bet the real figure is much less than a second.
>> Mind you how would you measure the lag =2C my ASI seems to move at the s
peed of light at times.
>>
>>
>> Tim
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 10 May 2014 13:19=2C GRAHAM SINGLETON <grahamsingleton@btinternet.com
> wrote:
>>
>> Or an AoA meter as primary attitude/speed instrument. The ASI is always
20 seconds too late.
>>> Very sad=2C I met Manfred while he was building. A very nice man and a
nice Europa.
>>> Graham
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: David Joyce <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
>>> To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday=2C 10 May 2014=2C 12:36
>>> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Europa Crash in L=FCbeck/Germany
>>>
>>>=0A
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>>>
>>>
>>> I strongly suspect that this another case where a SmartASS or the equiv
alent might have saved them both. David Joyce=2C G-XSDJ
>>>
>>>
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