That was my thought - I have kept my old tank to use as a way to model
our needs for an aluminum tank - any body have experience in this area?
Any estimates on weight of tank?
Gary Leinberger
A237
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From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of craig
bastin
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 5:28 AM
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Fuel tank - bulges and leakage.
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Thanks mike, I actually spoke to roger at Europa last night, when i was
ordering some bits off him and asked him about the flourine treatment,
and his response was that my kit
#577 had a treated tank
as original, so i guess, I have nothing to worry about or anyone who
came after 577.
Just for the guys thinking about the alloy tank prototype route, you
HAVE a prototype, If you can "Borrow"
one of the original tanks and copy it, Given it is largely flat panels,
two with curves it would be easy to copy in a light sheet alloy or
stainless. I would be happy to loan my tank other than its installed
already, I am sure others would.
craig
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Mike Gregory
Sent: Friday, 2 May 2008 9:47 AM
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Fuel tank - bulges and leakage.
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Craig,
It is certainly possible to have your tank fluorinated before
installation, because it is a post-moulding process.
If you look on the web site of a typical rotational moulding company,
e.g.
http://tecni-form.com/faqs12.php#12 you can see the answers to a number
of FAQs, such as Q12:
"Is rotational moulding suitable for manufacturing marine plastic gas
tanks?"
"Rotational moulding is actually a very suitable process for the
manufacture of fuel tanks of all types - including those for marine
applications. Both diesel and petrol tanks are commonly manufactured
---From either LLDPE (linear low-density polyethylene), or XLPE
(cross-linked polyethylene), and for diesel applications no further
processing is required.
"In the case of petrol, post moulding fluorination is used to provide
the barrier properties to meet permeation regulations. However, other
materials may be used, either on their own or in conjunction with
polyethylene (normally as an inner layer) to provide enhanced
performance, such as improved heat resistance or barrier properties."
I sent my early tank back to the company that supplied Europa and it was
fluorinated for about 23GBP (plus return carriage) and returned within a
few days, about seven years ago. I expect any rotational moulding
company that produces petrol tanks would be able to fluorinate yours at
a similarly modest cost, without your having to ship it back to England
to the original manufacturers.
I do not know whether it would be possible to fluorinate a tank in situ.
Regards
Mike
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of craig
bastin
Sent: 01 May 2008 10:48
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Fuel tank - bulges and leakage.
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Where can you get heat sheilding and rocket motors for a europa though
graham??
But on a slightly more serious note, IF the tanks havent been flourine
treated would it be possible to apply a coating to the inside of the
tank before its installed, or maybe sprayed into in-situ tanks that
havent been filled yet, such as a vinyl-ester resin which may atleast
slow the whole process down to give the existing tanks a reasonable
service life
craig
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Graham
Singleton
Sent: Thursday, 1 May 2008 7:21 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fuel tank - bulges and leakage.
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Hi Bob
apreciate your thoughtful reply.
I wish they wouldn't put alcohol in though, It isn't good for engines
and it is even worse for the environment, takes too much energy to make
it and it uses up too much food, (imho!) Simple answer, there are
already too many of us on this planet, we need to start colonising
space!
Graham
Robert Borger wrote:
>
> Graham,
According to the Wisconsin State Government, there are over 150
separate chemical in
> gasoline. There are detergents, solvents, oxidents, octane increasers
> and many other things beside C5 - C12 hydrocarbons.
> Certainly there are no insidious reasons for the oil companies to hide
> what goes in their gas. It's just that most folks wouldn't know what
> 2,4-dimethyl-6-tert-butylphenol or methylcyclopentadienyl manganese
> tricarbonyl are or what they do in any case.
> Bob Borger
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