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Re: Europa-List: Trim setting question

Subject: Re: Europa-List: Trim setting question
From: Roger Sheridan <rogersheridan@mac.com>
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2021 18:02:49
Hi Kingsley,

I am not an aerodynamicist, so this is my uninformed explanation why the 
trim tab deflection is desirable:

1.      Nose down trim is commanding the tailplane to provide lift, this 
slightly reduces required wing lift along with wing induced drag, so 
it=99s a good thing.

2.      If you move the CG forward and tailplane lift required is 
reduced, the wing induced drag (to maintain level flight) will 
consequently increase - not desirable.

3.      To produce the desired tailplane lift without tab deflection 
would require an internal trim spring or reduced counterweight and now 
you=99re the test pilot!

Interestingly some Jodel models have all flying tails that are only 
partially mass balanced, so reducing that lump of steel might work, but 
I won=99t be trying it.

Cheers,

Roger


> On 28 Dec 2021, at 01:52, Kingsley Hurst <kingsnjan@westnet.com.au> 
wrote:
> 
> Hello Pete,
> 
> I=99m at a loss to understand how the tailplane incidence can be 
set with a fully flying tailplane.  Is there an explanation please?
> 
> Best regards
> Your antipodean cousin
> Kingsley
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 27 Dec 2021, at 9:10 pm, Peter Jeffers <pjeffers02@gmail.com> 
wrote:
>> 
>> =EF=BB
>> Just remember that during build you are allowed a tolerance of round 
about 1 degree in the tail plane incidence. This is enough to change 
your trim settings for any particular situation. It will also explain 
differences between various aeroplanes.
>> Pete J
>> 
>> On Sun, 26 Dec 2021, 13:53 Bud Yerly, <budyerly@msn.com 
<mailto:budyerly@msn.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Get Outlook for Android <https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg>
>> 
>> From: Bud Yerly <budyerly@msn.com <mailto:budyerly@msn.com>>
>> Sent: Saturday, December 25, 2021, 7:35 PM
>> To: europa-list@matronics.com <mailto:europa-list@matronics.com>
>> Subject: RE: Europa-List: Trim setting question
>> 
>> As Tim said.
>> 
>> Most do not trim in slow flight or stalls to notice the up trim.  
=46rom takeoff to cruise it is all down trim.
>> 
>>  
>> Your CG is a bit farther aft so more down trim is needed in some 
cases as the incidence of the wing is roughly 2.5 degrees nose down trim 
is needed as speed increases
>> 
>>  
>> Happy Holidays,
>> 
>> Bud Yerly
>> 
>>  
>> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com 
<mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com> 
<owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com 
<mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com>> On Behalf Of Pete
>> Sent: Saturday, December 25, 2021 4:27 PM
>> To: europa-list@matronics.com <mailto:europa-list@matronics.com>
>> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Trim setting question
>> 
>>  
>> Thx Tim, its good to know im not alone :)
>> 
>>  
>> That said, the tab is neutral, with the stab in line with the fuse 
moulding, with the indicator also at neutral - so it appears the stab is 
not lined up with the fuse moulding in flight. I find that odd.
>> 
>>  
>> Cheers and Merry Christmas!
>> 
>> PeteZ
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Dec 25, 2021, at 4:21 PM, timward <ward.t@xtra.co.nz 
<mailto:ward.t@xtra.co.nz>> wrote:
>> 
>> =EF=BBHi Pete,
>> 
>> I have exactly the same issue but can live with it. Altering it is a 
real gymnastic exercise with space available and spanners!
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Tim
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>> Tim Ward
>> 
>> 12 Waiwetu Street, 
>> 
>> Fendalton, 
>> 
>> Christchurch, 8052
>> 
>> New Zealand.
>> 
>> ward.t@xtra.co.nz <mailto:ward.t@xtra.co.nz> 
>> 
>> 021 0640221
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 26/12/2021, at 8:49 AM, Pete Zut <peterz@zutrasoft.com 
<mailto:peterz@zutrasoft.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> =EF=BB
>> 
>> Curious:  My CG is a reasonable 60.86" yet I find that my trim is 
generally set quite far down in most phases of flight (and never nose up 
trim).
>> 
>>  
>> Is this what other folks are seeing?
>> 
>>  
>> Cheers and thx,
>> 
>> PeteZ
>> 
>> C-GNPZ classic 912S
>> 
>> 



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