For info, Michel gave me a pair, and since that works perfectly, and
moreover the balancing of the carburettors is much more stable.
Happy new year
*Alain CHABERT*
e-mail : _alainchabert@wanadoo.fr_
Le 03/01/2021 13:17, davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk a crit:
>
> Michel, I like your solution! Next time my cables give trouble I shall
> replace them with piano wire facon Auvray.
>
> Bon Annee, David Joyce, GXSDJ
>
>
> On 2021-01-03 10:25, Michel AUVRAY wrote:
>
>> Hello Bud, I send to you my throttle cable solution operative since
>> 1999 without problem.
>> When I was made my second or third fly with my europa 145, I have the
>> same problem, the cables bend into the box !
>> Also I applied this radical solution. And I used this solution on
>> many others rotax engines.
>> If the spring is broken or inoperative, the piano wire performs the
>> function with great reliability.
>>
>> Lesam. 2 janv. 2021 17:51, Bud Yerly <budyerly@msn.com
>> <mailto:budyerly@msn.com>> a crit:
>>
>> Ian,
>> I believe the Europa Club has a paper I did on throttle cable
>> installation on their site, it is also at
>> https://customflightcreations.com/techniques-articles/
>> <https://customflightcreations.com/techniques-articles/> (I don't
>> pay google any longer so type in the https://... to find the site
>> through all the paying ad customers.) If the cable bends in the
>> throttle box, it is generally not a lubrication problem or even a
>> sticky oil cable to sheath issue. It is a problem with the cable
>> installation, most likely a kinked or bound cable. Maintainers
>> unfamiliar with the Europa often look at the cables and are
>> appalled that they are loose and not firmly bound all along their
>> route to the carb. In their attempt for neatness, they bind the
>> cable(s) and cause them to bind. Builders also fail to get their
>> initial throttle box alignment correct to prevent the cable(s)
>> from cleanly entering the sheath from the throttle arm. I
>> recently scolded one of my clients for allowing a well known
>> Rotax repair facility touch his cable routing. The repairman
>> kinked the cables and bound them tightly. It was an older
>> Classic (20+ years old), so upon installation of his new cables,
>> all worked flawlessly again.
>>
>> Cables must be anchored and aligned properly on both ends and
>> frankly, the area in between must be loopy and only lightly
>> affixed to prevent interference in the wheel well of the mono.
>>
>> A new set of cables can be purchased, but still, the running of
>> the cables, the alignment in the home made throttle box and
>> fixation to the carby must be addressed.
>> To supplement my article on "Throttle and choke cable etiquette"
>> attached, please check the following:
>>
>> Prior to removing the cables to rebuild them to proper spec. one
>> can check that the cables are not kinked or tightly bound, the
>> cable binding nuts on the throttles are lubricated and free to
>> rotate, and the throttle box cable pivot points on the arm are
>> free to operate. (The only two points requiring lubrication are
>> this pivot on the throttle linkage and the box cable pivot
>> attachment in my opinion.) Look into the throttle box for proper
>> cable alignment. If issues are found, simply removing the
>> cable/throttle box to your nice warm workbench and correcting
>> issues is all that is needed. I find that if the cable itself is
>> kinked, or unraveled, it is best to replace the cables as it is
>> not worth the time. If the cable will not operate laid out on
>> the bench, it won't work in the plane. If you have to tug on a
>> cable in either direction to get it to move, you have a damaged
>> sheath. Remember, cable sheaths are just a coil of wire wrapped
>> around a nylon tube. If the winding is damaged, it squeezes the
>> inner liner, and the cable will not operate freely in the sheath.
>>
>> For me, the nylon sheath lined cables require no lube over a
>> lifetime. (Although I have used a graphite lube to ease
>> customers fears from the constant complaints of club
>> members/owners on this subject.) The sheath is lined with nylon,
>> coiled in stainless, then heat shrink over the top making a dirt
>> resistant sheath for the twisted wire cable. My old original
>> Classic cables from 1998 (I'm not sure if they were supplied by
>> Europa) were damaged by the original builder and were shortened
>> in length, but alas his technique was poor as the cable sheaths
>> were bent hard, the cable end cuts were smashed and the cable
>> attachments were misaligned in the throttle box. So there was
>> much to correct. Note that if supplied with an aftermarket or
>> original non lined sheath, they are best replaced as stainless
>> steel to stainless steel can lead to a corrosion problem
>> eventually. My 2005 supplied Europa cables have been good now
>> for 15+ years with only a single light lube of a Teflon or
>> graphite that was used during inspection (I can't remember what
>> lube I used on the cloth as I was more interested in corrosion of
>> the cables here in Florida). The reason I pulled my cables was
>> for an experiment during my rubber replacement at the 10 year
>> condition inspection, when I also chose to install a throttle
>> friction.
>>
>> Some owner/builders have done solid cables of wire, model
>> airplane nyrod push pull cables, and Zenith style solid rod to a
>> welded arm on the firewall that allows both throttles to be
>> actuated via a short push pull cable. All taking more time,
>> money and effort than simply following cable etiquette. Read
>> over the attached paper and check your cables for yourself.
>> Correct any issues, make sure it works on the bench with the
>> cables straight, then make a large loop and check again. After
>> install in the aircraft but not yet attached to the carb arm, the
>> cables should move freely. If the throttle cables worked on the
>> bench and not in the aircraft, you've pinched something. I've
>> found from winter to summer, from minus 10C to plus 40C the
>> cables work fine from Canada to Florida so they should work for you.
>>
>> Any cable of twisted wire, solid wire or plastic will do if you
>> can get the fittings right on the ends and aligned properly. In
>> experimentation, it takes a keen eye for detail, time, patience,
>> analysis and money to correct our new designs/mods and get them
>> working flawlessly.
>>
>> Best Regards,
>> Bud Yerly
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
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>> Subject: Europa-List: Europa XS Mono Throttle cable friction and jam
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>> <mailto:macstar1224@gmail.com>>
>>
>> I had to abort a take-off due to poor acceleration and low
>> manifold pressure.
>> Problem was caused by one throttle cable sticking at just above
>> idle while the other at full throttle!
>> Even when the cable was lubricated it was still has high
>> friction. Looks like I need new cables. Think the cable system
>> needs expandable rubber boots to reduce the amount of grit that
>> must contaminate the cable runs.
>> Anyone else had this problem?
>>
>> --------
>> Ian McClelland
>>
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