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Re: Europa-List: Europa XS Mono Throttle cable friction and jam

Subject: Re: Europa-List: Europa XS Mono Throttle cable friction and jam
From: davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2021 12:17:36
Michel, I like your solution! Next time my cables give trouble I shall 
replace them with piano wire 'facon Auvray'.

Bon Annee, David Joyce, GXSDJ

On 2021-01-03 10:25, Michel AUVRAY wrote:

> Hello Bud, I send to you my throttle cable solution operative since 
> 1999 without problem.
> When I was made my second or third fly with my europa 145, I have the 
> same problem, the cables bend into the box !
> Also I applied this radical solution. And I used this solution on many 
> others rotax engines.
> If the spring is broken or inoperative, the piano wire performs the 
> function with great reliability.
> 
> Le sam. 2 janv. 2021  17:51, Bud Yerly <budyerly@msn.com> a crit :
> 
>> Ian,
>> I believe the Europa Club has a paper I did on throttle cable 
>> installation on their site, it is also at 
>> https://customflightcreations.com/techniques-articles/ (I don't pay 
>> google any longer so type in the https://... to find the site through 
>> all the paying ad customers.)  If the cable bends in the throttle box, 
>> it is generally not a lubrication problem or even a sticky oil cable 
>> to sheath issue.  It is a problem with the cable installation, most 
>> likely a kinked or bound cable.  Maintainers unfamiliar with the 
>> Europa often look at the cables and are appalled that they are loose 
>> and not firmly bound all along their route to the carb.  In their 
>> attempt for neatness, they bind the cable(s) and cause them to bind.  
>> Builders also fail to get their initial throttle box alignment correct 
>> to prevent the cable(s) from cleanly entering the sheath from the 
>> throttle arm.  I recently scolded one of my clients for allowing a 
>> well known Rotax repair facility touch his cable routing.  The 
>> repairman kinked the cables and bound them tightly.  It was an older 
>> Classic (20+ years old), so upon installation of his new cables, all 
>> worked flawlessly again.
>> 
>> Cables must be anchored and aligned properly on both ends and frankly, 
>> the area in between must be loopy and only lightly affixed to prevent 
>> interference in the wheel well of the mono.
>> 
>> A new set of cables can be purchased, but still, the running of the 
>> cables, the alignment in the home made throttle box and fixation to 
>> the carby must be addressed.
>> To supplement my article on "Throttle and choke cable etiquette" 
>> attached, please check the following:
>> 
>> Prior to removing the cables to rebuild them to proper spec. one can 
>> check that the cables are not kinked or tightly bound, the cable 
>> binding nuts on the throttles are lubricated and free to rotate, and 
>> the throttle box cable pivot points on the arm are free to operate.  
>> (The only two points requiring lubrication are this pivot on the 
>> throttle linkage and the box cable pivot attachment in my opinion.)  
>> Look into the throttle box for proper cable alignment.  If issues are 
>> found, simply removing the cable/throttle box to your nice warm 
>> workbench and correcting issues is all that is needed.  I find that if 
>> the cable itself is kinked, or unraveled, it is best to replace the 
>> cables as it is not worth the time.  If the cable will not operate 
>> laid out on the bench, it won't work in the plane.  If you have to tug 
>> on a cable in either direction to get it to move, you have a damaged 
>> sheath.  Remember, cable sheaths are just a coil of wire wrapped 
>> around a nylon tube.  If the winding is damaged, it squeezes the inner 
>> liner, and the cable will not operate freely in the sheath.
>> 
>> For me, the nylon sheath lined cables require no lube over a lifetime. 
>>  (Although I have used a graphite lube to ease customers fears from 
>> the constant complaints of club members/owners on this subject.)  The 
>> sheath is lined with nylon, coiled in stainless, then heat shrink over 
>> the top making a dirt resistant sheath for the twisted wire cable.  My 
>> old original Classic cables from 1998 (I'm not sure if they were 
>> supplied by Europa) were damaged by the original builder and were 
>> shortened in length, but alas his technique was poor as the cable 
>> sheaths were bent hard, the cable end cuts were smashed and the cable 
>> attachments were misaligned in the throttle box.  So there was much to 
>> correct.  Note that if supplied with an aftermarket or original non 
>> lined sheath, they are best replaced as stainless steel to stainless 
>> steel can lead to a corrosion problem eventually.  My 2005 supplied 
>> Europa cables have been good now for 15+ years with only a single 
>> light lube of a Teflon or graphite that was used during inspection (I 
>> can't remember what lube I used on the cloth as I was more interested 
>> in corrosion of the cables here in Florida).  The reason I pulled my 
>> cables was for an experiment during my rubber replacement at the 10 
>> year condition inspection, when I also chose to install a throttle 
>> friction.
>> 
>> Some owner/builders have done solid cables of wire, model airplane 
>> nyrod push pull cables, and Zenith style solid rod to a welded arm on 
>> the firewall that allows both throttles to be actuated via a short 
>> push pull cable.  All taking more time, money and effort than simply 
>> following cable etiquette.  Read over the attached paper and check 
>> your cables for yourself.  Correct any issues, make sure it works on 
>> the bench with the cables straight, then make a large loop and check 
>> again.  After install in the aircraft but not yet attached to the carb 
>> arm, the cables  should move freely.  If the throttle cables worked on 
>> the bench and not in the aircraft, you've pinched something.  I've 
>> found from winter to summer, from minus 10C to plus 40C the cables 
>> work fine from Canada to Florida so they should work for you.
>> 
>> Any cable of twisted wire, solid wire or plastic will do if you can 
>> get the fittings right on the ends and aligned properly.  In 
>> experimentation, it takes a keen eye for detail, time, patience, 
>> analysis and money to correct our new designs/mods and get them 
>> working flawlessly.
>> 
>> Best Regards,
>> Bud Yerly
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com 
>> <owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com> On Behalf Of MEE
>> Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2021 12:52 AM
>> To: europa-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Europa-List: Europa XS Mono Throttle cable friction and jam
>> 
>> 
>> I had to abort a take-off due to poor acceleration and low manifold 
>> pressure.
>> Problem was caused by one throttle cable sticking  at just above idle 
>> while the other at full throttle!
>> Even when the cable was lubricated it was still has high friction. 
>> Looks like I need new cables. Think the cable system needs expandable 
>> rubber boots to reduce the amount of grit that must contaminate the 
>> cable runs.
>> Anyone else had this problem?
>> 
>> --------
>> Ian McClelland
>> 
>> Read this topic online here:
>> 
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