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RE: Europa-List: Re: Post curing response

Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: Post curing response
From: m.j.gregory@talk21.com
Date: Sat, 30 May 2020 10:57:40
A word of caution for those post-curing flying surfaces with blue foam 
cores: stick to the upper temperature limit of 50C in the Europa Build 
Manual quoted below. While the Gurit datasheets for Ampreg 20 and 21 
also specify elevated post-cure of up to 80C, this may be used for other 
parts but is too high a temperature for the blue foam. 


Some years ago the operator of a commercial oven was being sued because 
they had heated a Classic wing to 80C for 5 hours instead of the 50C for 
8 hours that had been specified by the owner. The result was a wing 
sagging over the supports, just like the cautionary tale of the Quickie 
builder mentioned on Page 37-3 of the Manual.


Regards,


Mike

Dr Mike Gregory

Europa Club Safety Officer

01480 451655

07885 355765


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From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com 
<owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com> On Behalf Of Kelvin Weston
Sent: 29 May 2020 15:35
Subject: Europa-List: Re: Post curing response


<mailto:kelv@kdweston.biz> kelv@kdweston.biz>


Gents


The Europa Build Manual calls for a post-cure, see Chapter 37, Page 2, 
which states:


"The first thing that you need to do with your flying surfaces is 
post-cure them at a temperature between 40 - 50C.  This will improve 
their strength and cook off any remaining volatiles and moisture within 
the epoxy system.

Make a simple oven with foam blocks, timber or sheets and an electric 
fan heater and cure your flying surfaces for 8-10 hours.

Do take care not to get them too hot and make sure that they are fully 
supported."


The Ampreg 20 and 21 datasheets from Gurit shows an initial cure at a 
minimum of 18C (ideally 24hrs at 21C) followed by an elevated post-cure 
of 5 hours at 70 - 80C or 16 hours at 50C.


The datasheet also states:

=C3=A2=82=AC=C5=93The post-cure need not be carried out immediately 
after laminating. It is possible to assemble several composite 
components and post-cure the entire assembly together. It is 
recommended, however, that elevated temperature curing should be 
completed before any further painting / finishing operations.

Furthermore, care should be taken to adequately support the laminate if 
it is to be post-cured after demoulding, and the laminate must be 
allowed to cool before the support is removed.

When post-curing it is recommended to use a ramp rate of 10 degC/hour 
when heating from ambient to the post-cure temperature, to ensure that 
the thermal performance of the laminate stays ahead of the oven 
temperature. Higher ramp rates may result in the resin softening and 
distortion of the part.=C3=A2=82=AC=C2=9D


The resulting specs with standard hardener for Ampreg 20, 21 and 30 are 
all very similar and result in a Tg of around:

58C - Room temperature cure (28 days at 21C) 73C - Elevated post cure 
(16hrs at 50C)


The ultimate Tg for Ampreg 20 and 30 is stated as around 98C.  Ampreg 21 
was slightly lower at 91C


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Regards


Kelv Weston

Kit 497

 <mailto:kelv@kdweston.biz> kelv@kdweston.biz


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