In Canada it's my understanding that it's just an insurance question for
hull coverage - which typically is not taken until their requisite number
of hours is obtained.
Cheers,
Pete
A239
Ottawa, Canada
On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 9:08 AM, Robert Borger <rlborger@mac.com> wrote:
> Svein, et. al.,
>
> Big old Catch 22 over here in FAA land. To do a proper checkout one must
> have a CFI to do the instruction. The CFI normally will charge for their
> instruction time. But one is not allowed to earn income through the use
of
> an experimental amateur built aircraft. So try to find a qualified CFI
> with experience in the transition aircraft who will do it for no charge.
>
> I happen to have a friend who is a CFI but is not a professional flight
> instructor. He has given me and others proper checkouts in
> various experimental amateur built aircraft for not charge. Guys like th
at
> are darn few and far between over here.
>
> Blue skies & tailwinds,
> Bob Borger
> Europa XS Tri, Rotax 914, Airmaster C/S Prop.
> Little Toot Sport Biplane, Lycoming Thunderbolt AEIO-320 EXP
> 3705 Lynchburg Dr.
> Corinth, TX 76208-5331
> Cel: 817-992-1117
> rlborger@mac.com
>
> On Sep 17, 2012, at 2:46 AM, Sidsel & Svein Johnsen <
> sidsel.svein@oslo.online.no> wrote:
>
> NTSB issued in May a very interesting report on accidents with
> amateur-built airplanes compared to certified airplanes, based on detaile
d
> evaluation of the numbers behind the summary statistics:****
> http://www.ntsb.gov/doclib/reports/2012/SS1201.pdf****
>
> One of their findings is that many more accidents caused by loss of
> control in the air happen with amateur-built than with certified airplane
s,
> and that a high percentage is with second-hand airplanes a short time aft
er
> being purchased. NTSB points to the fact that FAA do not follow the sam
e
> practice as many other countries do, in that FAA do not require a
> pre-approved test flight program, nor approval of a report on the test
> flying (only a log book entry that test flight has been completed), which
> in turn may cause the pilot=92s operating handbook/flight manual to be
> lacking important airplane characteristics.****
>
> What the NTSB report do not say anything about, however, is mandatory
> transition training and check out in the specific amateur-built airplane.
> Under the joint European pilot license regime (JAR-FCL), we must receive
> such training and have it entered in our log book. This means that befor
e
> we can fly the Europa we have built (unless approved by our CAA to perfor
m
> the very first flight) we must receive such airplane-specific rating, and
> also before we may pilot another Europa than our own, no matter how many
> hours we have logged in our own plane and irrespective of all the
> similarities between two individual Europas.****
>
> Therefore the following question to the American Europeans on this forum:
> Before you can legally be the pilot of ANY experimental classed,
> amateur-built airplane, are you not required by FAA to receive transition
> training/rating check-out by a pre-approved CFI or other experienced,
> approved person, even for flying a =93sister=94 airplane of the same type
and
> model that you may already be experienced in?****
>
> Regards,****
> Svein****
> LN-SKJ
>
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