Guys and Gals,? just in case I didn't get put on the spreed sheet. I also will
be attending from the 27th thru the 29th.? N108EA will be staying home.? My cell
phone is 937-416-8080.
Scott L. Dingman USAF (RET)
-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Borger <rlborger@mac.com>
Sent: Mon, Jul 20, 2009 9:22 am
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Add name to spread sheet Oshkosh attendees
Gents,
I will be there from Sunday (26) through Thursday (30). Unfortunately, The
Little
Dragon Lady (my Europa) is still down awaiting final fix of the throttle cables
and I've lost my other airplane ride so I'm flying to Chicago and driving
up from there. But at least I will have wheels for the stay. Should anyone
require transport about the KOSH area feel free to give me a call:
817-992-1117.
I'm staying at a private residence about 1/2 block off the terminal building.
I also have e-mail access through my iPhone.
Perhaps we can arrange an early week meeting for those of us in for the first
half
and a second meeting for those coming in for the 2nd half.
See you there,
Bob Borger
On Monday, July 20, 2009, at 06:50AM, "Peter Zutrauen" <peterz@zutrasoft.com>
wrote:
>
I'll also be there, TT'ing? it in the front yard of the last private house
closest
to the tower (near the bus stop).
Cheers,
Pete
A239
Ottawa, Can
still a pile of parts :-)
On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 4:11 AM, Cleve Lee <clevelee@earthlink.net> wrote:
Hello Erich,
If you will be preparing a list of attendees, would you please include myself.
Cleve Lee
A198 - Mono XS Jabiru 3300 (Currently in the UK but returning with the project
to Detroit area shortly.)
Contact Phone: (011) 44 776 561 2283 ?Mobile E-mail:
cleve.lee@mobileemail.vodafone.net
I'll have an RV in Camp Schoeller (likely with an available bed if it pours one
night and someone tenting wants to get a dryer night sleep... . ?A buddy and
I will be arriving for Thursday the 30th through Saturday. ?Please let me know
if a dinner is scheduled anywhere.
Thanks,
Cleve
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? ?1. 02:26 AM - Europa classic-mono: rudder-pedals movement ?(Frank Kusserow)
? ?2. 04:52 AM - Re: Oshkosh ?(David Conrad)
? ?3. 05:29 AM - Re: Had A Bad Day with a Perspex Window ?(Ron Jones)
? ?4. 07:10 AM - Re: Oshkosh ?(david miller)
? ?5. 08:11 AM - Had A Bad Day with a Perspex Window ?(Erich Trombley)
? ?6. 10:14 AM - Re: Had A Bad Day with a Perspex Window ?(Bud Yerly)
? ?7. 12:09 PM - Re: Aircraft Covers in U.K. ?(Paddy Clarke)
? ?8. 01:21 PM - Re: Had A Bad Day with a Perspex Window ?(Flying Farmer)
? ?9. 02:13 PM - Re: Had A Bad Day with a Perspex Window ?(rparigoris)
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________________________________ ?Message 1
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From: "Frank Kusserow" <frank@kusserow-online.com>
Subject: Europa-List: Europa classic-mono: rudder-pedals movement
Dear Community,
I would like to move my rudder-pedals on my classic mono forward in
order have a better seating.
I still have some room to the firewall inside with fully pushed pedals,
but outside I am too close to the original Europa muffler.
I believe this problem has been posted on the forum before - does any
one have a solution to this?
I am thinking of a different muffler construction or a different pedal
construction at this moment.
Thank you for your kind feedback
Best regards,
Frank Kusserow
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D-EJWD
Classic, Mono, 912UL
________________________________ ?Message 2
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From: David Conrad <avi8ordave@YAHOO.COM>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Oshkosh
I'll be at OSHKOSH starting Saturday morning, July 24th thru Friday morning
July 31st.
I'll have a rental car, and plan to be camping down in the Ultralight Area.
I'll be bringing a powered paraglider with me to fly in the mornings durin
g the show. With me will be my wife Sue, and daughter Kimberly (26).
Dave Conrad, A078
Mono, 914, short & long wings
A long way to go in the build
(513) 886 - 0481 Cell
--- On Sat, 7/18/09, Erich Trombley <erichdtrombley@juno.com> wrote:
From: Erich Trombley <erichdtrombley@juno.com>
Subject: Europa-List: Oshkosh
m>
Regarding OSH, myself and Bob Lindsay will be flying out as a flight of two
.- Our plans, weather permitting, are for Bob to fly up to Las Vegas, NV
on Friday, 7/24 with the both us departing for OSH on 7/25.- We are plann
ing on arriving OSH on Sunday morning- 7/26.- I can put together a spre
adsheet similar to what I did for Sun-N-Fun so all that are planning on att
ending will have contact info readily available.- A Europa dinner/gatheri
ng sounds delightful.
Regards,
Erich Trombley
N28ET Classic Mono 914
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From: "Ron Jones" <jron.jones@tiscali.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Had A Bad Day with a Perspex Window
Hello Richard,
Sorry to hear about the problem with the "sprung" window.
I'm sure you will already have thought that heat is probably the only
"treatment". The problem is that both the Redox and the Perspex will soften.
The question as I see it is which softens first?
I haven't tried it but wonder if this might work. Cut a piece of metal
(ally, 1/8th thick, e.g.) to the shape of the area affected and a piece of
wood (ply e.g.) the same. Take another chunk of wood (2"x1"e.g.) to bridge
across the inside corner of the door and, using a G cramp, clamp the whole
thing together . With a hair drier, warm up the door-frame area where the
window has lifted. The metal should (hopefully) act as a heat sink to
protect the window while the Redox should (again, hopefully) soften and
allow the Perspex to re-seat.
Just a thought. It might work! (Before you try it, would you please delete
this email and my address in case it doesn't!)
Best regards,
Ron Jones.
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From: david miller <loboloda@execulink.com>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Oshkosh
Hi Christoph,
Look forward to meeting up with you and Myron again.
Chris' phone # is 519-494-2741
Dave
On 18-Jul-09, at 6:20 PM, Christoph Both wrote:
<christoph.both@acadiau.ca>
Hi Dave,
I will arrive July 30 commercial air. Staying with Myron Haluschak
until
AUG 3 on the grounds. Would be nice to meet! Txt cell: 902-691-2709
Christoph
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of david
miller
Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 4:31 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Oshkosh
<loboloda@execulink.com>
Erich,
Chris Staines and I will be arriving on Friday 31st, staying for the
last Saturday and Sunday, at Marian College.
driving in.
Hope we do not miss everyone
Dave C-FBZI
Chris C- GFSY
On 18-Jul-09, at 4:22 PM, Erich Trombley wrote:
<erichdtrombley@juno.com>
Regarding OSH, myself and Bob Lindsay will be flying out as a
flight of two. ?Our plans, weather permitting, are for Bob to fly
up to Las Vegas, NV on Friday, 7/24 with the both us departing for
OSH on 7/25. ?We are planning on arriving OSH on Sunday morning
7/26. ?I can put together a spreadsheet similar to what I did for
Sun-N-Fun so all that are planning on attending will have contact
info readily available. ?A Europa dinner/gathering sounds delightful.
Regards,
Erich Trombley
N28ET Classic Mono 914
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From: "Erich Trombley" <erichdtrombley@juno.com>
Subject: Europa-List: Had A Bad Day with a Perspex Window
Hello Richard,
Sorry to hear about your window. ?Unfortunately, I don't believe there is a
quick
fix for the problem you have described. ?Because the Perspex has lifted from
the door rebate you will find that the cured Redux is shiny and thus will not
take a bond with new ?Redux without prepping it first. ?If you are able to sand
the exposed Redux you may be able get a good bond. ?However, without seeing
the window I can comment of the viability of this scenario. ?If this is not
a possibility, I fear you may have to completely remove the window and remove
the cured Redux., Not too bad of a job with a heat gun. ?There have been a few
builders who have replaced windows that can give you better advise on the
process
than I. ?Just be really careful. ? Regarding the area that has cured Redux
on the Perspex; carefully sanding this down is probably the best solution.
The Perspex does polish up nicely with restoration, however, you will get
localized
distortion which I believe is unavoidable. ?I have found that sanding it
up through 1500 grit paper followed by hand polishing works nicely. ?Good luck.
Erich Trombley
N28ET Classic Mono 914
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From: "Bud Yerly" <budyerly@msn.com>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Had A Bad Day with a Perspex Window
Sorry for taking so long to comment. ?I was out. ?Flew a Motor Glider
---From Tampa To Kansas City. ?Great trip.
127 TAS at 4.8 gph at 8500ft. ?A lot of weather, but not bad.
On to windows...
Richard, The problem may already be fixed, but here are my two cents:
? On the sprung corner, if it is out only 1mm or so, try to fill the
area with clear redux. ?Keep in mind, that it is not going to bond well
as the surfaces have cured glue on them and are slick. ?But it will
prevent a large air void and possible separation if filled. ?I have not
had one sprung in the shop, once when helping someone redoing a door
which was damaged, I saw a void near the handle that was 1.5 inches
around the corner. ?I suggested he grind the glass closer to level and
he filled the void by injecting in redux, then glassed over the corner,
making his door glass viewing area about 1/2 inch smaller in the corner,
but the glassing of two layers of staggered bid has done the trick. ?One
other thing I noticed is that the door panel to plexi joint was very
smooth and didn't show a bump in the heat after painting due to
different expansion rates.
Usually, any redux on the outside of the glass can be flecked off using
a plastic scraper. ?Sometimes a little heat to get it warm will do the
trick (about 120 degrees F). ?The plexi will buff out. ?My windows are a
mess of scratches as they are left-overs or returns... ?Using grits from
400 to 2000 then buffing compounds and a good slow buffer did the trick.
Mine still need one more inside and out buffing with anti-swirl
compound and they'll be fine.
Bud Yerly
Custom FLight
?----- Original Message ----- ?From: Flying
Farmer<mailto:rpwheelwright@yahoo.co.uk>
?To: europa-list@matronics.com<mailto:europa-list@matronics.com>
?Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 6:11 PM
?Subject: Europa-List: Had A Bad Day with a Perspex Window
<rpwheelwright@yahoo.co.uk<mailto:rpwheelwright@yahoo.co.uk>>
?I have had a BAD day with my windows !!! After leaving my perfect
fitted window to cure over night, I have discovered this morning that it
has sprung slightly in the corner near to the handle.
?Is it possible to remove the window in this corner to allow a cleanup
and to re-set it back to as it should be into the rebate? if so, how
without damaging the perspex?
?I have also got a small amount of redux onto the perspex in top
corner. Is their a way to remove it without scratching the Perspex?
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From: Paddy Clarke <paddyclarke@lineone.net>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Aircraft Covers in U.K.
Hi Willie,
Good to hear from you. We got back this afternoon from France - a
good trip but needless to say it would have been that much better
with you two there!
I still haven't decided on the material for my covers, I also have a
possibility of using a sort of marquee for the aircraft in the
summer. I will be using an enclosed trailer in the winter. Both these
could well benefit from your dehumidifier.
Hope to see you at a DOTH soon,
All the best, Paddy
On 13 Jul 2009, at 10:34, William Harrison wrote:
<willie.harrison@tinyonline.co.uk>
Paddy
Mine lives in a weird microclimate inside a WWII nissen hut type
hanger, with an unsealed floor, where it is frequently very humid
and sometimes rains condensation. The one discovery I'd like to
share is that I have found that a chemical dehumidifier (intended
for caravans) has clearly kept the inside much drier than it was
previously. This can only be a good thing for the instruments and
electrics. An incidental benefit is that the misting problem I used
to have in cold weather has largely gone away (I suspect that the
upholstery had been acting like a reservoir for water which then
took 30 minutes of flight to dry out, and in the meantime was
redistributing the moisture onto the windscreen and side windows).
Good luck finding the right cover.
Willie
On 9 Jul 2009, at 20:27, Paddy Clarke wrote:
Hi Folks,
Many thanks to all those who replied.
Before deciding on manufacturer I have to decide on which
material, due to my use of Polyfibre products.
Is there anyone out there who used Polyfibre filler and/or primer
and then kept their aircraft outside under covers, who didn't have
bubbles appear in the paintwork?. If so, were the covers
breathable or not?.
Do people who know about Polyfibre think that there are still
potential problems in store with a finish completed 8 years ago?
Do people think you get condensation under fully waterproof covers?
Looking forward to many erudite replies,
All the best, paddy
On 8 Jul 2009, at 20:30, R Holder wrote:
Paddy Clarke
Europa G-KIMM
________________________________ ?Message 8
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Subject: Re: Europa-List: Had A Bad Day with a Perspex Window
From: "Flying Farmer" <rpwheelwright@yahoo.co.uk>
Crag, Graham, Bud, Erich
Thank you for the replays, I have tyred some of the suggested methods.
Graham, the soldering Iron is a good one, but it puts melt lines in theperspex
and seems impossible to get between the door and the perspex
I have tyred heating with an hair dryer, This works too, carefully lifting the
perspex off the door. ?but I feel it will not be enough to clean up the corner
to get a good bond again.
Bud, If I sand it down, there will be no window left to make a small bid layup
and will look bad on the position it is in on my Europa.
I feel the only way would be to completely remove the window and start again.
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Richard Wheelwright
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Subject: Re: Europa-List: Had A Bad Day with a Perspex Window
From: "rparigoris" <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
Hi Richard
I am not sure I understand if your lifting Perplex is on the door or front
windscreen,
doesn't matter, could you put in an Ultimate ventilator in that area?
http://www.europaowners.org/modules.php?set_albumName=album277&op=modload&name=gallery&file=index&include=view_album.php
If above not feasible, if it is in the corner where if you were to make window
smaller and visability would be acceptable, you could cut out lifting corner out
and re-establish a rebate with some glass. I would lay up first ply wet out
with Redux, then peel ply, after cure use aeropoxy plies.
Good luck
Ron Parigoris
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From: Karl Heindl <kheindl@msn.com>
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Had A Bad Day with a Perspex Window
Ron=2C that's a good idea. I had a disaster situation where the open door f
ried near a 500W
halogen ceiling lamp. I cried=2C but then I had the bright idea of fitting
a ventilator in that location. which was just behind my head . It worked ou
t well as it extracts the incoming air from the Naca scoops.
Karl
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Had A Bad Day with a Perspex Window
From: rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us
Date: Mon=2C 20 Jul 2009 00:13:47 +0300
us>
Hi Richard
I am not sure I understand if your lifting Perplex is on the door or fron
t windscreen=2C doesn't matter=2C could you put in an Ultimate ventilator i
n that area?
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load&name=gallery&file=index&include=view_album.php
If above not feasible=2C if it is in the corner where if you were to make
window smaller and visability would be acceptable=2C you could cut out lif
ting corner out and re-establish a rebate with some glass. I would lay up f
irst ply wet out with Redux=2C then peel ply=2C after cure use aeropoxy pli
es.
Good luck
Ron Parigoris
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Subject: Europa-List: How do you purge oil cooler with an oil thermostat
From: rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us
Curiosity question, how do you best purge an oil cooler on a 91X if you
have an oil thermostat?
Thx.
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