I'll also be there, TT'ing it in the front yard of the last private house
closest to the tower (near the bus stop).
Cheers,
Pete
A239
Ottawa, Can
still a pile of parts :-)
On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 4:11 AM, Cleve Lee <clevelee@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> Hello Erich,
>
> If you will be preparing a list of attendees, would you please include
> myself.
>
> Cleve Lee
> A198 - Mono XS Jabiru 3300 (Currently in the UK but returning with the
> project to Detroit area shortly.)
> Contact Phone: (011) 44 776 561 2283 Mobile E-mail:
> cleve.lee@mobileemail.vodafone.net
> I'll have an RV in Camp Schoeller (likely with an available bed if it pours
> one night and someone tenting wants to get a dryer night sleep... . A buddy
> and I will be arriving for Thursday the 30th through Saturday. Please let
> me know if a dinner is scheduled anywhere.
>
> Thanks,
> Cleve
>
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>> 1. 02:26 AM - Europa classic-mono: rudder-pedals movement (Frank
>> Kusserow)
>> 2. 04:52 AM - Re: Oshkosh (David Conrad)
>> 3. 05:29 AM - Re: Had A Bad Day with a Perspex Window (Ron Jones)
>> 4. 07:10 AM - Re: Oshkosh (david miller)
>> 5. 08:11 AM - Had A Bad Day with a Perspex Window (Erich Trombley)
>> 6. 10:14 AM - Re: Had A Bad Day with a Perspex Window (Bud Yerly)
>> 7. 12:09 PM - Re: Aircraft Covers in U.K. (Paddy Clarke)
>> 8. 01:21 PM - Re: Had A Bad Day with a Perspex Window (Flying Farmer)
>> 9. 02:13 PM - Re: Had A Bad Day with a Perspex Window (rparigoris)
>> 10. 06:13 PM - Re: Had A Bad Day with a Perspex Window (Karl Heindl)
>> 11. 07:45 PM - How do you purge oil cooler with an oil thermostat (
>> rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us)
>>
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>>
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>> _____________________________________
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>>
>> From: "Frank Kusserow" <frank@kusserow-online.com>
>> Subject: Europa-List: Europa classic-mono: rudder-pedals movement
>>
>> Dear Community,
>>
>> I would like to move my rudder-pedals on my classic mono forward in
>> order have a better seating.
>> I still have some room to the firewall inside with fully pushed pedals,
>> but outside I am too close to the original Europa muffler.
>> I believe this problem has been posted on the forum before - does any
>> one have a solution to this?
>> I am thinking of a different muffler construction or a different pedal
>> construction at this moment.
>> Thank you for your kind feedback
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Frank Kusserow
>> ----------------------
>> D-EJWD
>> Classic, Mono, 912UL
>>
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>> _____________________________________
>>
>>
>> From: David Conrad <avi8ordave@YAHOO.COM>
>> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Oshkosh
>>
>> I'll be at OSHKOSH starting Saturday morning, July 24th thru Friday
>> morning
>> July 31st.
>> I'll have a rental car, and plan to be camping down in the Ultralight
>> Area.
>> I'll be bringing a powered paraglider with me to fly in the mornings durin
>> g the show. With me will be my wife Sue, and daughter Kimberly (26).
>>
>> Dave Conrad, A078
>> Mono, 914, short & long wings
>> A long way to go in the build
>> (513) 886 - 0481 Cell
>>
>> --- On Sat, 7/18/09, Erich Trombley <erichdtrombley@juno.com> wrote:
>>
>> From: Erich Trombley <erichdtrombley@juno.com>
>> Subject: Europa-List: Oshkosh
>>
>> m>
>>
>> Regarding OSH, myself and Bob Lindsay will be flying out as a flight of
>> two
>> .- Our plans, weather permitting, are for Bob to fly up to Las Vegas, NV
>> on Friday, 7/24 with the both us departing for OSH on 7/25.- We are plann
>> ing on arriving OSH on Sunday morning- 7/26.- I can put together a spre
>> adsheet similar to what I did for Sun-N-Fun so all that are planning on
>> att
>> ending will have contact info readily available.- A Europa dinner/gatheri
>> ng sounds delightful.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Erich Trombley
>> N28ET Classic Mono 914
>>
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>>
>> From: "Ron Jones" <jron.jones@tiscali.co.uk>
>> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Had A Bad Day with a Perspex Window
>>
>>
>> Hello Richard,
>> Sorry to hear about the problem with the "sprung" window.
>> I'm sure you will already have thought that heat is probably the only
>> "treatment". The problem is that both the Redox and the Perspex will
>> soften.
>> The question as I see it is which softens first?
>> I haven't tried it but wonder if this might work. Cut a piece of metal
>> (ally, 1/8th thick, e.g.) to the shape of the area affected and a piece of
>> wood (ply e.g.) the same. Take another chunk of wood (2"x1"e.g.) to bridge
>> across the inside corner of the door and, using a G cramp, clamp the whole
>> thing together . With a hair drier, warm up the door-frame area where the
>> window has lifted. The metal should (hopefully) act as a heat sink to
>> protect the window while the Redox should (again, hopefully) soften and
>> allow the Perspex to re-seat.
>> Just a thought. It might work! (Before you try it, would you please delete
>> this email and my address in case it doesn't!)
>> Best regards,
>> Ron Jones.
>>
>>
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>> _____________________________________
>>
>>
>> From: david miller <loboloda@execulink.com>
>> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Oshkosh
>>
>>
>> Hi Christoph,
>>
>> Look forward to meeting up with you and Myron again.
>> Chris' phone # is 519-494-2741
>>
>> Dave
>> On 18-Jul-09, at 6:20 PM, Christoph Both wrote:
>>
>> <christoph.both@acadiau.ca>
>>>
>>> Hi Dave,
>>> I will arrive July 30 commercial air. Staying with Myron Haluschak
>>> until
>>> AUG 3 on the grounds. Would be nice to meet! Txt cell: 902-691-2709
>>> Christoph
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
>>> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of david
>>> miller
>>> Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 4:31 PM
>>> To: europa-list@matronics.com
>>> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Oshkosh
>>>
>>> <loboloda@execulink.com>
>>>
>>> Erich,
>>>
>>> Chris Staines and I will be arriving on Friday 31st, staying for the
>>> last Saturday and Sunday, at Marian College.
>>> driving in.
>>> Hope we do not miss everyone
>>>
>>> Dave C-FBZI
>>> Chris C- GFSY
>>>
>>> On 18-Jul-09, at 4:22 PM, Erich Trombley wrote:
>>>
>>> <erichdtrombley@juno.com>
>>>>
>>>> Regarding OSH, myself and Bob Lindsay will be flying out as a
>>>> flight of two. Our plans, weather permitting, are for Bob to fly
>>>> up to Las Vegas, NV on Friday, 7/24 with the both us departing for
>>>> OSH on 7/25. We are planning on arriving OSH on Sunday morning
>>>> 7/26. I can put together a spreadsheet similar to what I did for
>>>> Sun-N-Fun so all that are planning on attending will have contact
>>>> info readily available. A Europa dinner/gathering sounds delightful.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Erich Trombley
>>>> N28ET Classic Mono 914
>>>>
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>>
>> ________________________________ Message 5
>> _____________________________________
>>
>>
>> From: "Erich Trombley" <erichdtrombley@juno.com>
>> Subject: Europa-List: Had A Bad Day with a Perspex Window
>>
>>
>> Hello Richard,
>>
>> Sorry to hear about your window. Unfortunately, I don't believe there is
>> a quick
>> fix for the problem you have described. Because the Perspex has lifted
>> from
>> the door rebate you will find that the cured Redux is shiny and thus will
>> not
>> take a bond with new Redux without prepping it first. If you are able to
>> sand
>> the exposed Redux you may be able get a good bond. However, without
>> seeing
>> the window I can comment of the viability of this scenario. If this is
>> not
>> a possibility, I fear you may have to completely remove the window and
>> remove
>> the cured Redux., Not too bad of a job with a heat gun. There have been a
>> few
>> builders who have replaced windows that can give you better advise on the
>> process
>> than I. Just be really careful. Regarding the area that has cured Redux
>> on the Perspex; carefully sanding this down is probably the best solution.
>> The Perspex does polish up nicely with restoration, however, you will get
>> localized
>> distortion which I believe is unavoidable. I have found that sanding it
>> up through 1500 grit paper followed by hand polishing works nicely. Good
>> luck.
>>
>> Erich Trombley
>> N28ET Classic Mono 914
>>
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>> _____________________________________
>>
>>
>> From: "Bud Yerly" <budyerly@msn.com>
>> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Had A Bad Day with a Perspex Window
>>
>> Sorry for taking so long to comment. I was out. Flew a Motor Glider
>> from Tampa To Kansas City. Great trip.
>> 127 TAS at 4.8 gph at 8500ft. A lot of weather, but not bad.
>>
>> On to windows...
>> Richard, The problem may already be fixed, but here are my two cents:
>> On the sprung corner, if it is out only 1mm or so, try to fill the
>> area with clear redux. Keep in mind, that it is not going to bond well
>> as the surfaces have cured glue on them and are slick. But it will
>> prevent a large air void and possible separation if filled. I have not
>> had one sprung in the shop, once when helping someone redoing a door
>> which was damaged, I saw a void near the handle that was 1.5 inches
>> around the corner. I suggested he grind the glass closer to level and
>> he filled the void by injecting in redux, then glassed over the corner,
>> making his door glass viewing area about 1/2 inch smaller in the corner,
>> but the glassing of two layers of staggered bid has done the trick. One
>> other thing I noticed is that the door panel to plexi joint was very
>> smooth and didn't show a bump in the heat after painting due to
>> different expansion rates.
>>
>> Usually, any redux on the outside of the glass can be flecked off using
>> a plastic scraper. Sometimes a little heat to get it warm will do the
>> trick (about 120 degrees F). The plexi will buff out. My windows are a
>> mess of scratches as they are left-overs or returns... Using grits from
>> 400 to 2000 then buffing compounds and a good slow buffer did the trick.
>> Mine still need one more inside and out buffing with anti-swirl
>> compound and they'll be fine.
>>
>> Bud Yerly
>> Custom FLight
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: Flying Farmer<mailto:
>> rpwheelwright@yahoo.co.uk>
>> To: europa-list@matronics.com<mailto:europa-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 6:11 PM
>> Subject: Europa-List: Had A Bad Day with a Perspex Window
>>
>>
>> <rpwheelwright@yahoo.co.uk<mailto:rpwheelwright@yahoo.co.uk>>
>>
>> I have had a BAD day with my windows !!! After leaving my perfect
>> fitted window to cure over night, I have discovered this morning that it
>> has sprung slightly in the corner near to the handle.
>>
>> Is it possible to remove the window in this corner to allow a cleanup
>> and to re-set it back to as it should be into the rebate? if so, how
>> without damaging the perspex?
>>
>> I have also got a small amount of redux onto the perspex in top
>> corner. Is their a way to remove it without scratching the Perspex?
>>
>>
>> ==================
>>
>>
>> Thank You
>> Richard Wheelwright
>>
>>
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>>
>>
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>> _____________________________________
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>>
>> From: Paddy Clarke <paddyclarke@lineone.net>
>> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Aircraft Covers in U.K.
>>
>> Hi Willie,
>> Good to hear from you. We got back this afternoon from France - a
>> good trip but needless to say it would have been that much better
>> with you two there!
>> I still haven't decided on the material for my covers, I also have a
>> possibility of using a sort of marquee for the aircraft in the
>> summer. I will be using an enclosed trailer in the winter. Both these
>> could well benefit from your dehumidifier.
>> Hope to see you at a DOTH soon,
>> All the best, Paddy
>> On 13 Jul 2009, at 10:34, William Harrison wrote:
>>
>> <willie.harrison@tinyonline.co.uk>
>>>
>>> Paddy
>>>
>>> Mine lives in a weird microclimate inside a WWII nissen hut type
>>> hanger, with an unsealed floor, where it is frequently very humid
>>> and sometimes rains condensation. The one discovery I'd like to
>>> share is that I have found that a chemical dehumidifier (intended
>>> for caravans) has clearly kept the inside much drier than it was
>>> previously. This can only be a good thing for the instruments and
>>> electrics. An incidental benefit is that the misting problem I used
>>> to have in cold weather has largely gone away (I suspect that the
>>> upholstery had been acting like a reservoir for water which then
>>> took 30 minutes of flight to dry out, and in the meantime was
>>> redistributing the moisture onto the windscreen and side windows).
>>>
>>> Good luck finding the right cover.
>>>
>>> Willie
>>>
>>>
>>> On 9 Jul 2009, at 20:27, Paddy Clarke wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Folks,
>>>> Many thanks to all those who replied.
>>>> Before deciding on manufacturer I have to decide on which
>>>> material, due to my use of Polyfibre products.
>>>> Is there anyone out there who used Polyfibre filler and/or primer
>>>> and then kept their aircraft outside under covers, who didn't have
>>>> bubbles appear in the paintwork?. If so, were the covers
>>>> breathable or not?.
>>>> Do people who know about Polyfibre think that there are still
>>>> potential problems in store with a finish completed 8 years ago?
>>>> Do people think you get condensation under fully waterproof covers?
>>>> Looking forward to many erudite replies,
>>>> All the best, paddy
>>>> On 8 Jul 2009, at 20:30, R Holder wrote:
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> Paddy Clarke
>> Europa G-KIMM
>>
>>
>> ________________________________ Message 8
>> _____________________________________
>>
>>
>> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Had A Bad Day with a Perspex Window
>> From: "Flying Farmer" <rpwheelwright@yahoo.co.uk>
>>
>>
>> Crag, Graham, Bud, Erich
>>
>> Thank you for the replays, I have tyred some of the suggested methods.
>>
>> Graham, the soldering Iron is a good one, but it puts melt lines in
>> theperspex
>> and seems impossible to get between the door and the perspex
>>
>> I have tyred heating with an hair dryer, This works too, carefully lifting
>> the
>> perspex off the door. but I feel it will not be enough to clean up the
>> corner
>> to get a good bond again.
>>
>> Bud, If I sand it down, there will be no window left to make a small bid
>> layup
>> and will look bad on the position it is in on my Europa.
>>
>> I feel the only way would be to completely remove the window and start
>> again.
>>
>>
>> ===========================================
>>
>>
>> Thank You
>> Richard Wheelwright
>>
>> ===========================================
>>
>>
>> Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org
>>
>>
>> ________________________________ Message 9
>> _____________________________________
>>
>>
>> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Had A Bad Day with a Perspex Window
>> From: "rparigoris" <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
>>
>>
>> Hi Richard
>>
>> I am not sure I understand if your lifting Perplex is on the door or front
>> windscreen,
>> doesn't matter, could you put in an Ultimate ventilator in that area?
>>
>>
>> http://www.europaowners.org/modules.php?set_albumName=album277&op=modload&name=gallery&file=index&include=view_album.php
>>
>> If above not feasible, if it is in the corner where if you were to make
>> window
>> smaller and visability would be acceptable, you could cut out lifting
>> corner out
>> and re-establish a rebate with some glass. I would lay up first ply wet
>> out
>> with Redux, then peel ply, after cure use aeropoxy plies.
>>
>> Good luck
>> Ron Parigoris
>>
>> Ron Parigoris
>>
>>
>> Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org
>>
>>
>> ________________________________ Message 10
>> ____________________________________
>>
>>
>> From: Karl Heindl <kheindl@msn.com>
>> Subject: RE: Europa-List: Had A Bad Day with a Perspex Window
>>
>>
>> Ron=2C that's a good idea. I had a disaster situation where the open door
>> f
>> ried near a 500W
>>
>> halogen ceiling lamp. I cried=2C but then I had the bright idea of fitting
>> a ventilator in that location. which was just behind my head . It worked
>> ou
>> t well as it extracts the incoming air from the Naca scoops.
>>
>>
>> Karl
>>
>>
>> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Had A Bad Day with a Perspex Window
>>> From: rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us
>>> Date: Mon=2C 20 Jul 2009 00:13:47 +0300
>>> To: europa-list@matronics.com
>>>
>>> us>
>>
>>>
>>> Hi Richard
>>>
>>> I am not sure I understand if your lifting Perplex is on the door or fron
>>>
>> t windscreen=2C doesn't matter=2C could you put in an Ultimate ventilator
>> i
>> n that area?
>>
>>>
>>> http://www.europaowners.org/modules.php?set_albumName=album277&op=mod
>>>
>> load&name=gallery&file=index&include=view_album.php
>>
>>>
>>> If above not feasible=2C if it is in the corner where if you were to make
>>>
>> window smaller and visability would be acceptable=2C you could cut out lif
>> ting corner out and re-establish a rebate with some glass. I would lay up
>> f
>> irst ply wet out with Redux=2C then peel ply=2C after cure use aeropoxy
>> pli
>> es.
>>
>>>
>>> Good luck
>>> Ron Parigoris
>>>
>>> Ron Parigoris
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>> ________________________________ Message 11
>> ____________________________________
>>
>>
>> Subject: Europa-List: How do you purge oil cooler with an oil thermostat
>> From: rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us
>>
>>
>> Curiosity question, how do you best purge an oil cooler on a 91X if you
>> have an oil thermostat?
>>
>> Thx.
>> Ron Parigoris
>>
>>
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