Hello Erich,
If you will be preparing a list of attendees, would you please include
myself.
Cleve Lee
A198 - Mono XS Jabiru 3300 (Currently in the UK but returning with the
project to Detroit area shortly.)
Contact Phone: (011) 44 776 561 2283 Mobile E-mail:
cleve.lee@mobileemail.vodafone.net
I'll have an RV in Camp Schoeller (likely with an available bed if it pours
one night and someone tenting wants to get a dryer night sleep... . A buddy
and I will be arriving for Thursday the 30th through Saturday. Please let
me know if a dinner is scheduled anywhere.
Thanks,
Cleve
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> 1. 02:26 AM - Europa classic-mono: rudder-pedals movement (Frank
> Kusserow)
> 2. 04:52 AM - Re: Oshkosh (David Conrad)
> 3. 05:29 AM - Re: Had A Bad Day with a Perspex Window (Ron Jones)
> 4. 07:10 AM - Re: Oshkosh (david miller)
> 5. 08:11 AM - Had A Bad Day with a Perspex Window (Erich Trombley)
> 6. 10:14 AM - Re: Had A Bad Day with a Perspex Window (Bud Yerly)
> 7. 12:09 PM - Re: Aircraft Covers in U.K. (Paddy Clarke)
> 8. 01:21 PM - Re: Had A Bad Day with a Perspex Window (Flying Farmer)
> 9. 02:13 PM - Re: Had A Bad Day with a Perspex Window (rparigoris)
> 10. 06:13 PM - Re: Had A Bad Day with a Perspex Window (Karl Heindl)
> 11. 07:45 PM - How do you purge oil cooler with an oil thermostat
> (rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us)
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> From: "Frank Kusserow" <frank@kusserow-online.com>
> Subject: Europa-List: Europa classic-mono: rudder-pedals movement
>
> Dear Community,
>
> I would like to move my rudder-pedals on my classic mono forward in
> order have a better seating.
> I still have some room to the firewall inside with fully pushed pedals,
> but outside I am too close to the original Europa muffler.
> I believe this problem has been posted on the forum before - does any
> one have a solution to this?
> I am thinking of a different muffler construction or a different pedal
> construction at this moment.
> Thank you for your kind feedback
>
> Best regards,
>
> Frank Kusserow
> ----------------------
> D-EJWD
> Classic, Mono, 912UL
>
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>
> From: David Conrad <avi8ordave@YAHOO.COM>
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Oshkosh
>
> I'll be at OSHKOSH starting Saturday morning, July 24th thru Friday
> morning
> July 31st.
> I'll have a rental car, and plan to be camping down in the Ultralight
> Area.
> I'll be bringing a powered paraglider with me to fly in the mornings durin
> g the show. With me will be my wife Sue, and daughter Kimberly (26).
>
> Dave Conrad, A078
> Mono, 914, short & long wings
> A long way to go in the build
> (513) 886 - 0481 Cell
>
> --- On Sat, 7/18/09, Erich Trombley <erichdtrombley@juno.com> wrote:
>
> From: Erich Trombley <erichdtrombley@juno.com>
> Subject: Europa-List: Oshkosh
>
> m>
>
> Regarding OSH, myself and Bob Lindsay will be flying out as a flight of
> two
> .- Our plans, weather permitting, are for Bob to fly up to Las Vegas, NV
> on Friday, 7/24 with the both us departing for OSH on 7/25.- We are plann
> ing on arriving OSH on Sunday morning- 7/26.- I can put together a spre
> adsheet similar to what I did for Sun-N-Fun so all that are planning on
> att
> ending will have contact info readily available.- A Europa dinner/gatheri
> ng sounds delightful.
>
> Regards,
>
> Erich Trombley
> N28ET Classic Mono 914
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> From: "Ron Jones" <jron.jones@tiscali.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Had A Bad Day with a Perspex Window
>
>
> Hello Richard,
> Sorry to hear about the problem with the "sprung" window.
> I'm sure you will already have thought that heat is probably the only
> "treatment". The problem is that both the Redox and the Perspex will
> soften.
> The question as I see it is which softens first?
> I haven't tried it but wonder if this might work. Cut a piece of metal
> (ally, 1/8th thick, e.g.) to the shape of the area affected and a piece of
> wood (ply e.g.) the same. Take another chunk of wood (2"x1"e.g.) to bridge
> across the inside corner of the door and, using a G cramp, clamp the whole
> thing together . With a hair drier, warm up the door-frame area where the
> window has lifted. The metal should (hopefully) act as a heat sink to
> protect the window while the Redox should (again, hopefully) soften and
> allow the Perspex to re-seat.
> Just a thought. It might work! (Before you try it, would you please delete
> this email and my address in case it doesn't!)
> Best regards,
> Ron Jones.
>
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>
> From: david miller <loboloda@execulink.com>
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Oshkosh
>
>
> Hi Christoph,
>
> Look forward to meeting up with you and Myron again.
> Chris' phone # is 519-494-2741
>
> Dave
> On 18-Jul-09, at 6:20 PM, Christoph Both wrote:
>
>> <christoph.both@acadiau.ca>
>>
>> Hi Dave,
>> I will arrive July 30 commercial air. Staying with Myron Haluschak
>> until
>> AUG 3 on the grounds. Would be nice to meet! Txt cell: 902-691-2709
>> Christoph
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of david
>> miller
>> Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 4:31 PM
>> To: europa-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Oshkosh
>>
>> <loboloda@execulink.com>
>>
>> Erich,
>>
>> Chris Staines and I will be arriving on Friday 31st, staying for the
>> last Saturday and Sunday, at Marian College.
>> driving in.
>> Hope we do not miss everyone
>>
>> Dave C-FBZI
>> Chris C- GFSY
>>
>> On 18-Jul-09, at 4:22 PM, Erich Trombley wrote:
>>
>>> <erichdtrombley@juno.com>
>>>
>>> Regarding OSH, myself and Bob Lindsay will be flying out as a
>>> flight of two. Our plans, weather permitting, are for Bob to fly
>>> up to Las Vegas, NV on Friday, 7/24 with the both us departing for
>>> OSH on 7/25. We are planning on arriving OSH on Sunday morning
>>> 7/26. I can put together a spreadsheet similar to what I did for
>>> Sun-N-Fun so all that are planning on attending will have contact
>>> info readily available. A Europa dinner/gathering sounds delightful.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Erich Trombley
>>> N28ET Classic Mono 914
>>>
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>
> From: "Erich Trombley" <erichdtrombley@juno.com>
> Subject: Europa-List: Had A Bad Day with a Perspex Window
>
>
> Hello Richard,
>
> Sorry to hear about your window. Unfortunately, I don't believe there is
> a quick
> fix for the problem you have described. Because the Perspex has lifted
> from
> the door rebate you will find that the cured Redux is shiny and thus will
> not
> take a bond with new Redux without prepping it first. If you are able to
> sand
> the exposed Redux you may be able get a good bond. However, without
> seeing
> the window I can comment of the viability of this scenario. If this is
> not
> a possibility, I fear you may have to completely remove the window and
> remove
> the cured Redux., Not too bad of a job with a heat gun. There have been a
> few
> builders who have replaced windows that can give you better advise on the
> process
> than I. Just be really careful. Regarding the area that has cured Redux
> on the Perspex; carefully sanding this down is probably the best solution.
> The Perspex does polish up nicely with restoration, however, you will get
> localized
> distortion which I believe is unavoidable. I have found that sanding it
> up through 1500 grit paper followed by hand polishing works nicely. Good
> luck.
>
> Erich Trombley
> N28ET Classic Mono 914
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>
> From: "Bud Yerly" <budyerly@msn.com>
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Had A Bad Day with a Perspex Window
>
> Sorry for taking so long to comment. I was out. Flew a Motor Glider
> from Tampa To Kansas City. Great trip.
> 127 TAS at 4.8 gph at 8500ft. A lot of weather, but not bad.
>
> On to windows...
> Richard, The problem may already be fixed, but here are my two cents:
> On the sprung corner, if it is out only 1mm or so, try to fill the
> area with clear redux. Keep in mind, that it is not going to bond well
> as the surfaces have cured glue on them and are slick. But it will
> prevent a large air void and possible separation if filled. I have not
> had one sprung in the shop, once when helping someone redoing a door
> which was damaged, I saw a void near the handle that was 1.5 inches
> around the corner. I suggested he grind the glass closer to level and
> he filled the void by injecting in redux, then glassed over the corner,
> making his door glass viewing area about 1/2 inch smaller in the corner,
> but the glassing of two layers of staggered bid has done the trick. One
> other thing I noticed is that the door panel to plexi joint was very
> smooth and didn't show a bump in the heat after painting due to
> different expansion rates.
>
> Usually, any redux on the outside of the glass can be flecked off using
> a plastic scraper. Sometimes a little heat to get it warm will do the
> trick (about 120 degrees F). The plexi will buff out. My windows are a
> mess of scratches as they are left-overs or returns... Using grits from
> 400 to 2000 then buffing compounds and a good slow buffer did the trick.
> Mine still need one more inside and out buffing with anti-swirl
> compound and they'll be fine.
>
> Bud Yerly
> Custom FLight
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Flying Farmer<mailto:rpwheelwright@yahoo.co.uk>
> To: europa-list@matronics.com<mailto:europa-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 6:11 PM
> Subject: Europa-List: Had A Bad Day with a Perspex Window
>
>
> <rpwheelwright@yahoo.co.uk<mailto:rpwheelwright@yahoo.co.uk>>
>
> I have had a BAD day with my windows !!! After leaving my perfect
> fitted window to cure over night, I have discovered this morning that it
> has sprung slightly in the corner near to the handle.
>
> Is it possible to remove the window in this corner to allow a cleanup
> and to re-set it back to as it should be into the rebate? if so, how
> without damaging the perspex?
>
> I have also got a small amount of redux onto the perspex in top
> corner. Is their a way to remove it without scratching the Perspex?
>
>
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>
> Thank You
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>
> From: Paddy Clarke <paddyclarke@lineone.net>
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Aircraft Covers in U.K.
>
> Hi Willie,
> Good to hear from you. We got back this afternoon from France - a
> good trip but needless to say it would have been that much better
> with you two there!
> I still haven't decided on the material for my covers, I also have a
> possibility of using a sort of marquee for the aircraft in the
> summer. I will be using an enclosed trailer in the winter. Both these
> could well benefit from your dehumidifier.
> Hope to see you at a DOTH soon,
> All the best, Paddy
> On 13 Jul 2009, at 10:34, William Harrison wrote:
>
>> <willie.harrison@tinyonline.co.uk>
>>
>> Paddy
>>
>> Mine lives in a weird microclimate inside a WWII nissen hut type
>> hanger, with an unsealed floor, where it is frequently very humid
>> and sometimes rains condensation. The one discovery I'd like to
>> share is that I have found that a chemical dehumidifier (intended
>> for caravans) has clearly kept the inside much drier than it was
>> previously. This can only be a good thing for the instruments and
>> electrics. An incidental benefit is that the misting problem I used
>> to have in cold weather has largely gone away (I suspect that the
>> upholstery had been acting like a reservoir for water which then
>> took 30 minutes of flight to dry out, and in the meantime was
>> redistributing the moisture onto the windscreen and side windows).
>>
>> Good luck finding the right cover.
>>
>> Willie
>>
>>
>> On 9 Jul 2009, at 20:27, Paddy Clarke wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Folks,
>>> Many thanks to all those who replied.
>>> Before deciding on manufacturer I have to decide on which
>>> material, due to my use of Polyfibre products.
>>> Is there anyone out there who used Polyfibre filler and/or primer
>>> and then kept their aircraft outside under covers, who didn't have
>>> bubbles appear in the paintwork?. If so, were the covers
>>> breathable or not?.
>>> Do people who know about Polyfibre think that there are still
>>> potential problems in store with a finish completed 8 years ago?
>>> Do people think you get condensation under fully waterproof covers?
>>> Looking forward to many erudite replies,
>>> All the best, paddy
>>> On 8 Jul 2009, at 20:30, R Holder wrote:
>>
>>
>
> Paddy Clarke
> Europa G-KIMM
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 8
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Had A Bad Day with a Perspex Window
> From: "Flying Farmer" <rpwheelwright@yahoo.co.uk>
>
>
> Crag, Graham, Bud, Erich
>
> Thank you for the replays, I have tyred some of the suggested methods.
>
> Graham, the soldering Iron is a good one, but it puts melt lines in
> theperspex
> and seems impossible to get between the door and the perspex
>
> I have tyred heating with an hair dryer, This works too, carefully lifting
> the
> perspex off the door. but I feel it will not be enough to clean up the
> corner
> to get a good bond again.
>
> Bud, If I sand it down, there will be no window left to make a small bid
> layup
> and will look bad on the position it is in on my Europa.
>
> I feel the only way would be to completely remove the window and start
> again.
>
>
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> Thank You
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>
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Had A Bad Day with a Perspex Window
> From: "rparigoris" <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
>
>
> Hi Richard
>
> I am not sure I understand if your lifting Perplex is on the door or front
> windscreen,
> doesn't matter, could you put in an Ultimate ventilator in that area?
>
> http://www.europaowners.org/modules.php?set_albumName=album277&op=modload&name=gallery&file=index&include=view_album.php
>
> If above not feasible, if it is in the corner where if you were to make
> window
> smaller and visability would be acceptable, you could cut out lifting
> corner out
> and re-establish a rebate with some glass. I would lay up first ply wet
> out
> with Redux, then peel ply, after cure use aeropoxy plies.
>
> Good luck
> Ron Parigoris
>
> Ron Parigoris
>
>
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> ____________________________________
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>
> From: Karl Heindl <kheindl@msn.com>
> Subject: RE: Europa-List: Had A Bad Day with a Perspex Window
>
>
> Ron=2C that's a good idea. I had a disaster situation where the open door
> f
> ried near a 500W
>
> halogen ceiling lamp. I cried=2C but then I had the bright idea of fitting
> a ventilator in that location. which was just behind my head . It worked
> ou
> t well as it extracts the incoming air from the Naca scoops.
>
>
> Karl
>
>
>> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Had A Bad Day with a Perspex Window
>> From: rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us
>> Date: Mon=2C 20 Jul 2009 00:13:47 +0300
>> To: europa-list@matronics.com
>>
> us>
>>
>> Hi Richard
>>
>> I am not sure I understand if your lifting Perplex is on the door or fron
> t windscreen=2C doesn't matter=2C could you put in an Ultimate ventilator
> i
> n that area?
>>
>> http://www.europaowners.org/modules.php?set_albumName=album277&op=mod
> load&name=gallery&file=index&include=view_album.php
>>
>> If above not feasible=2C if it is in the corner where if you were to make
> window smaller and visability would be acceptable=2C you could cut out lif
> ting corner out and re-establish a rebate with some glass. I would lay up
> f
> irst ply wet out with Redux=2C then peel ply=2C after cure use aeropoxy
> pli
> es.
>>
>> Good luck
>> Ron Parigoris
>>
>> Ron Parigoris
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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> Subject: Europa-List: How do you purge oil cooler with an oil thermostat
> From: rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us
>
>
> Curiosity question, how do you best purge an oil cooler on a 91X if you
> have an oil thermostat?
>
> Thx.
> Ron Parigoris
>
>
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