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Subject: RE: Europa-List: Flap position, Flight testing
From: craig bastin <craigb@onthenet.com.au>
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 19:19:53
This may be a silly question, but your panel is level???? maybe you are
chasing
a phantom problem.
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        Kevin

        I had the same problem that you have, the ball was out about a
quarter to the left. I solved my problem by installing a wedge of balsa wood
on the RIGHT side of the rudder.

        The balsa wood came from a hobby shop, and is used for trailing
edges on model wings. It is shaped like a wedge. The front is maby 1/32 and
the rear is 1/4 thick.. cut it to about 2 inches long. Temporary install on
the Right side of the rudder with the 1/4 inch thick part at the trailing
edge of the rudder. Also locate it about half way down from the top of the
rudder.
        I used masking tape to hold it on. Then go fly, get plane in normal
cruise, take feet off pedals. where is ball. If the ball did no quite get
centered. Use a longer wedge. If ball went to far, cut the wedge shorter.
and go fly again. After a couple tries you should have the ball centered in
normal cruise.

        You can attach any way you want. Glue it on, use vinyl tape, RTV....
        This makes a neater installation than gluing a piece of aluminum on
the rudder and then bending a tab to accomplish the same result.

        When you start flying cross countrys at 17.500 ft you will see some
very impressive ground speeds. It blows the controller's mind when you tell
him you are flying behind a Rotax. They think two strokes.

        Jim Brown


        --- On Sun, 3/15/09, Kevin Klinefelter <kevann@gotsky..com> wrote:


          From: Kevin Klinefelter <kevann@gotsky.com>
          Subject: Re: Europa-List: Flap position, Flight testing
          To: europa-list@matronics.com
          Date: Sunday, March 15, 2009, 12:46 AM


          Hi Jim,
          I have  to hold just a little left rudder in cruise to center the
ball on my Dynon. Seems like I am skidding just a bit.
          When I use the stick to level the plane I can do it with one
finger, just a pound or so to keep the left wing up cruising solo. In this
position of wings level the ball is off to the left just enough to put the
ball 1/4 on the line.
          When gear and flaps are down, the left turn is more pronounced.
And when stalled dirty the left wing always drops.


          Thanks to all for the responses. I have not tried changing
anything yet. I have just been enjoying this great little plane and trying
very hard to get better at landing her. I have been doing a lot of landings!
And also some high cruising, 17,000 feet over the snow covered Sierra, just
amazing to be there instead of in the garage...

          Kevin, 35+ hours on the hobbs
          A211, N211KA
          Mono XS
          Intercooled 914, Airmaster Prop
            From: Jim Brown
            To: europa-list@matronics.com
            Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 6:02 PM
            Subject: Re: Europa-List: Flap position, Flight testing


                  Kevin

                  Your statment "in cruise I have to hold a little left
rudder".. Is this to keep the plane from a slight turning to the right? Is
the right wing low without rudder ?

                  The next time you fly, do this for me. Once in normal
cruse, take your feet off the rudder pedals. Use your stick to level the
plane, then observe where the sticks position is. Is it to the left of
center or is it to the righ of center, or does it remain centered ? In this
position of wings level, where is the ball? Is it to the right, or to the
left, or is it centered?

                  The monowheel does have a tendenancy to turn left a
little, when flown solo.

                  Jim Brown

                  --- On Fri, 3/6/09, Kevin Klinefelter <kevann@gotsky.com>
wrote:


                    From: Kevin Klinefelter <kevann@gotsky.com>
                    Subject: Re: Europa-List: Flap position, Flight testing
                    To: europa-list@matronics.com
                    Date: Friday, March 6, 2009, 1:04 PM


                    Jim, In cruise I have to hold a little left rudder...
                    Kevin
                      ----- Original Message -----
                      From: Jim Brown
                      To: europa-list@matronics.com
                      Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 4:21 AM
                      Subject: Re: Europa-List: Flap position, Flight
testing


                            Kevin

                            I would think that given the left flap is lower
than the right flap that the plane would be turning right. Given that the
left flap will have more pressure on it than the right flap.

                            I would suggest that on the next flight check
the turn and bank ball. and see if its setting to the right. Try centering
the ball with rudder and see if that helps.

                            Jim Brown

                            --- On Thu, 3/5/09, Kevin Klinefelter
<kevann@gotsky.com> wrote:


                              From: Kevin Klinefelter <kevann@gotsky.com>
                              Subject: Europa-List: Flap position, Flight
testing
                              To: europa-list@matronics.com
                              Date: Thursday, March 5, 2009, 11:38 PM


                              Hi All,

                              Flight testing of 914 powered monowheel N211KA
is going well (29 hours).I have a flap position question for those who have
been there.
                              The aircraft has an irritating left turn in it
when flown solo and slight left turn with two up. When trimmed out cruising
straight and level the ailerons are close to even with the wing tips and the
left flap is noticeably lower relative to it's aileron than the right side,
which is almost even with the aileron. I think if I can rig the left flap up
even with the aileron it will help cure the left turning problem and be less
drag.

                              I thought I might get a new flap hinge arm
(FL16) on the left and with the aircraft supported and flaps up in the
desired position I could drill new holes thru the lugs on the tourqe tube
so the left flap retacted position matches the right.

                              Will this work or is there a better way?

                              Thanks, Kevin... flying and grinning...


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