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Subject: Re: Europa-List: Flap position, Flight testing
From: Kevin Klinefelter <kevann@gotsky.com>
Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 17:46:20
Hi Jim,
I have  to hold just a little left rudder in cruise to center the ball 
on my Dynon. Seems like I am skidding just a bit.
When I use the stick to level the plane I can do it with one finger, 
just a pound or so to keep the left wing up cruising solo. In this 
position of wings level the ball is off to the left just enough to put 
the ball 1/4 on the line.
When gear and flaps are down, the left turn is more pronounced. And when 
stalled dirty the left wing always drops.


Thanks to all for the responses. I have not tried changing anything yet. 
I have just been enjoying this great little plane and trying very hard 
to get better at landing her. I have been doing a lot of landings! And 
also some high cruising, 17,000 feet over the snow covered Sierra, just 
amazing to be there instead of in the garage...

Kevin, 35+ hours on the hobbs
A211, N211KA
Mono XS
Intercooled 914, Airmaster Prop
  From: Jim Brown 
  To: europa-list@matronics.com 
  Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 6:02 PM
  Subject: Re: Europa-List: Flap position, Flight testing


        Kevin

        Your statment "in cruise I have to hold a little left rudder".. 
Is this to keep the plane from a slight turning to the right? Is the 
right wing low without rudder ?

        The next time you fly, do this for me. Once in normal cruse, 
take your feet off the rudder pedals. Use your stick to level the plane, 
then observe where the sticks position is. Is it to the left of center 
or is it to the righ of center, or does it remain centered ? In this 
position of wings level, where is the ball? Is it to the right, or to 
the left, or is it centered?

        The monowheel does have a tendenancy to turn left a little, when 
flown solo.

        Jim Brown

        --- On Fri, 3/6/09, Kevin Klinefelter <kevann@gotsky.com> wrote:


          From: Kevin Klinefelter <kevann@gotsky.com>
          Subject: Re: Europa-List: Flap position, Flight testing
          To: europa-list@matronics.com
          Date: Friday, March 6, 2009, 1:04 PM


          Jim, In cruise I have to hold a little left rudder...
          Kevin
            ----- Original Message ----- 
            From: Jim Brown 
            To: europa-list@matronics.com 
            Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 4:21 AM
            Subject: Re: Europa-List: Flap position, Flight testing


                  Kevin

                  I would think that given the left flap is lower than 
the right flap that the plane would be turning right. Given that the 
left flap will have more pressure on it than the right flap.

                  I would suggest that on the next flight check the turn 
and bank ball. and see if its setting to the right. Try centering the 
ball with rudder and see if that helps.

                  Jim Brown

                  --- On Thu, 3/5/09, Kevin Klinefelter 
<kevann@gotsky.com> wrote:


                    From: Kevin Klinefelter <kevann@gotsky.com>
                    Subject: Europa-List: Flap position, Flight testing
                    To: europa-list@matronics.com
                    Date: Thursday, March 5, 2009, 11:38 PM


                    Hi All,        

                    Flight testing of 914 powered monowheel N211KA is 
going well (29 hours).I have a flap position question for those who have 
been there.
                    The aircraft has an irritating left turn in it when 
flown solo and slight left turn with two up. When trimmed out cruising 
straight and level the ailerons are close to even with the wing tips and 
the left flap is noticeably lower relative to it's aileron than the 
right side, which is almost even with the aileron. I think if I can rig 
the left flap up even with the aileron it will help cure the left 
turning problem and be less drag. 

                    I thought I might get a new flap hinge arm (FL16) on 
the left and with the aircraft supported and flaps up in the desired 
position I could drill new holes thru the lugs on the tourqe tube  so 
the left flap retacted position matches the right.

                    Will this work or is there a better way?

                    Thanks, Kevin... flying and grinning...


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