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RE: Europa-List: Re: Full trigear speed kit vs hinge fairings only

Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: Full trigear speed kit vs hinge fairings only
From: ami-mcfadyean@talktalk.net <amimcfadyean@talktalk.net>
Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2017 21:56:43
<<...Obviously the inner hinge fairing could be very thin possibly even just a
blending at the front and a fill insert between the two parts to close the gap
when the flaps are up...>>Something like the attached? Which also covers the
attach bracket/bolts and the pivot bolt.
Duncan McF.


----Original Message----

From: craigb@onthenet.com.au

Date: 07/11/2017 11:04


Subj: RE: Europa-List: Re: Full trigear speed kit vs hinge fairings only


Yes that is sort of what I was thinking, but a bit longer towards the L/E to 
really blend it nicely.  As for the frontal area, or Flat plate area, I think I 
read (tried to find it again but cant)That the FPA for drag is any surface 
between zero and approximately 45 degrees to the air flow, so any surface 
blended at an angle greater than 45 will have little to no induced form 
drag.And the amount of skin drag as compared to the whole skin of the A/C would 
be so small as to not be of any real concern I would think, again I could be 
wrong. Obviously the inner hinge fairing could be very thin possibly even just 
a blending at the front and a fill insert between the two parts to close the 
gap when the flaps are up. If anyone knows the actual figures for the FPA I 
would like to know Regardscraig From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com 
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of 
ami-mcfadyean@talktalk.net
Sent: Sunday, 29 October 2017 9:19 PM
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: Full trigear speed kit vs hinge fairings only 
Maybe
the attached would qualify as a fence.I made these years ago but never got
around to fitting or flying them, not believing that three 1/8" flap hinge 
plates
edge-on to the wind would create more drag than the greatly additional skin
and frontal areas of the fairing (although it has better form, with prospect
of pressure recovery).Maybe one day!  Duncan McF.----Original Message----
From: ami-mcfadyean@talktalk.net
Date: 15/10/2017 12:18
Subj: RE: Europa-List: Re: Full trigear speed kit vs hinge fairings only
Can't find anything in the NACA library, 
except:http://naca.central.cranfield.ac.uk/reports/1955/naca-rm-a55c30a.pdfwhich
 applies to swept wings.Logically, there may be an effect in reducing the 
spanwise flow over the outboard section of the (fowler) flap, when the flap is 
deployed. But drag in that configuration is a definite advantage in getting the 
a/c on the ground. Might be worth exploring to see if there is any detectable 
decrease in stall speed? Duncan McF.----Original Message----
From: craigb@onthenet.com.au
Date: 14/10/2017 06:08
Subj: RE: Europa-List: Re: Full trigear speed kit vs hinge fairings only


While on the subject of the outer flap hinge, given its location, my
thoughts were it might be advantageous to turn that hinge faring  into a
"fence" to help reduce spanwise flow.

What say yee gentlemen to that.  Or is it a lot of work for no real gain

Regards
Craig
Kit 577, final prep before paint

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of zwakie
Sent: Saturday, 14 October 2017 7:01 AM
Subject: Europa-List: Re: Full trigear speed kit vs hinge fairings only


jonathanmilbank wrote:
> I particularly like this quote from Bud: "The flap brackets (especially
the outers) are a huge drag source.  So is the gear. Gear drag is
interesting.  The legs and brake callipers actually produce more drag than
the tyres and wheels."

Exactly the two things I thought would be of interest to you and why I
posted the link (pure luck that I had read this article again earlier this
week, otherwise I would not have thought of it  [Wink] )

--------
Marcel Zwakenberg
XS TG || 912ULS || PH-SBR


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