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Re: Europa-List: Spin characteristics

Subject: Re: Europa-List: Spin characteristics
From: GRAHAM SINGLETON <grahamsingleton@btinternet.com>
Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2016 09:49:54
Think it was 12 turns then did a normal recoverywhich took another 1 1/2 tu
rns. He also demonstrated that letting go of the stick also recovered fronm
 the spin, that took 2 turns.All dredged from the fuzzy depths of my brain 
btwGraham


    On Tuesday, 12 April 2016, 10:22, Pete <peterz@zutrasoft.com> wrote:


 Youtube =C2-:-)
http://youtu.be/2W4foTmO6SY
Cheers,Pete a239

On Apr 12, 2016, at 4:20 AM, Pete Lawless <pete@lawless.info> wrote:


 Graeme

 Way back when there was a Europa video which included a cockpit sequence o
f of Pete Clark spinning a Europa.=C2- I forget the number of turns he go
t to but is was considerable. 

 Anyone know if that video is still about in a usable format?

 Pete
 G-RMAC #109

 On 12/04/16 09:02, Ian Cook wrote:


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59 div.yiv2557877359WordSection1 {}#yiv2557877359  Graeme, =C2-=C2-=C2
-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- Having done 80 odd spin
s with the Europa MG the main thing is that the machine goes very near the 
vertical and picks up speed quickly on recovery, do not overdo the stick fo
rward or you will go inverted with all the problems that brings. Definitely
 do not have any loose article in the cockpit! I  believe the standard Euro
pa XS has similar behaviour e.g. the same powerful tailplane clean aerodyna
mics etc.  =C2- Regards  =C2- Ian Cook  =C2-   From: owner-europa-lis
t-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On B
ehalf Of GRAHAM SINGLETON
 Sent: 11 April 2016 20:58
 To: europa-list@matronics.com
 Subject: Re: Europa-List: Spin characteristics    =C2-   I have spun sev
eral early Classic Europas, during test flying for Permit to Fly. The Class
ic can bite, clean the spin may be relatively benign but several had a vici
ous wing drop flaps down.Imho it may be due to inaccuracy of the leading ed
ge of the wing which is critical on Don's excellent airfoil.   We were not 
given accurate coordinates for the section with the plans but later on they
 did become available. Sanding the wings to + or - .010"   over the first 1
2" of chord does give a much more benign stall.   Fitting the now mandatory
 stall strips also tames the stall.   Graham    =C2-      On Monday, 11 A
pril 2016, 20:06, graeme bird <graeme@gdbmk.co.uk> wrote:   =C2-  --> Eur
opa-List message posted by: "graeme bird" <graeme@gdbmk.co.uk>

 I've decided to get some aerobatic training just for fun and so have been 
reading the Kershner basic aerobatic manual. The section on spinning talks 
about the characteristics of some planes to go flat and recovery being depe
ndent on various  hard to predict factors; altitude/pressure as well as pla
ne design. Does anyone spin the mono outside of UK and have any comment. Wh
ile searching for info, I have seen one or two accounts on here of accident
al incipient spin. They have made we think  I should make sure my payload (
e.g for permit flight test) is better secured than dumped on the seat if a 
wing drop could send me inverted. 
 I was busy fitting my Smart Ass 3 at the strip the other day when my hanga
r neighbour remarked that he dropped a wing and rolled out of the circuit o
n base leg in a Brezzer after a 6 hour flight to an unfamiliar strip - luck
y to survive I should  think. Easy to do though especially if you are turni
ng across a stiff breeze.

 --------
 Graeme Bird
 G-UMPY
 Mono Classic/XS FFW 912S/Woodcomp 3000/3W
 Newby: 200 hours 4 years on the Mono 
 g@gdbmk.co.uk


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