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Re: Europa-List: Re: In flight noticed the rear door pin out -horror

Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: In flight noticed the rear door pin out -horror
From: Kevin Challis <cakeykev@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2014 22:28:16

Bob

I agree, the person who taught me the differences of flying the Europa really 
drummed
it into me of giving the back of the door on both sides a good hard push
not just to look at it.

I have had cause to thank him on a number of occasions.

You don't need lights etc just a pre flight check.

Kevin


> On 1 Oct 2014, at 22:07, Bob Harrison <ptag.dev@talktalk.net> wrote:
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> Jim, I accept the issue is a serious matter and I am quite prepared to
> champion vital safety matters but you cannot legislate for pilot's
> inefficient pre-flight checks and inspections, unless you want a safety
> device of a safety device, of a safety device and our aircraft will not get
> off the ground. These chaps must face the facts that it is their
> shortcomings on these matters which put them and their passengers at risk.
> The incident over the elevator was a proven short coming of build and
> design, as was the assessed need to attend to the rear wing lift pins at the
> same time since there was a perceived issue over build integrity which
> couldn't be assessed without breaking into the wings. 
> The matter of the door is designed adequately and functions quite adequately
> until the human element of pre-flight checks and regular hinge inspection
> raises their heads.
> Sorry, it is my humble opinion that  I will not give on this issue, I do not
> want have to install knee jerk solutions for everyone to comply with over
> such things that still come back to pilot conduct. 
> Regards
> Bob Harrison G-PTAG. 
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of g-fizy
> Sent: 01 October 2014 20:58
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Europa-List: Re: In flight noticed the rear door pin out -horror
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> ptag.dev@talktalk.net wrote:
>> Jim ...... so everyone has to jump through hoops because someone else 
>> hasn't done adequate pre-flight checks?
>> Regards
>> Bob Harrison G-PTAG
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> yes  bob safety first ,thats a lot of doors that have come off ,after we
> sadly lost two people  didn't we all have to do a mod to the elevator
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> owner g-fizy
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