thanks I will let y'all know how it goes. I'm warming up for round two
this weekend.
Will
William Daniell
LONGPORT
+57 310 295 0744
On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 3:17 PM, Bud Yerly <budyerly@msn.com> wrote:
> Will,
> You've got the right attitude.
>
> Setting the belcrank on the wing to 90 degrees is only one part of the
> rig. Your fuselage QDs may be the culprit as well. You can adjust
> the aileron as suggested many ways. Check that your flaps and wingtips a
re
> not drooping. Use your incidence board and check the flaps on both sides
> are dead level with the board. If your board is lost, you have only the
> lower wing to set level across the flaps with the lower first six inches
of
> the wing skin.
>
> Big thing to remember is the outer short push rod sets the up limit at
> nominally 23.5 to 24.5 (25.5 max). The up limit on one aileron sets the
> down limit on the other. If you have full required travel of the aileron
> (roughly 42-46 degrees) your problem is normally your QDs are not set
> vertical to the ground with the fuselage level and plumb.
>
> Measuring with a Smart digital level is made easier by some manufacturers
> by removing the center portion. Now you have a short smart level. The
> smart tool is a bit cumbersome to use but essential for the flap/stab
> measurements. For the ailerons, I use a simple protractor made by Genera
l
> (#29) for inside and outside measurements. It is about $5. (A carpenter
s
> bevel gauge works outstanding also.)
>
> Set the protractor/bevel gauge at the desired angle and put it just to th
e
> outboard of either wing hinge (I use the inboard) and take a quick look a
nd
> adjust down to about 24.5 degrees or so by just holding the gauge to the
> wing and looking at the gap. With the aileron up (outside postion on the
> protractor) I set the pushrod to give me 23.5 to 24.5 as set on my
> protractor/bevel gauge. I do the same on the other wing. I check that
> with the aileron down I get full down plus some before the wt. hits the
> closeout. Then set the fuselage and wing QD to vertical. That should
> work, but doesn't always as you found out!
>
> Some adjustment of the fuselage QD belcrank is necessary to get the
> ailerons to be level with the flaps and outboard wing tip. Use your now
> shortened smart tool to get the fuselage QD vertical with the outer skin
as
> best you can, or put the pins in and set a T square on them to set the
> QDs. Yes, I know the T square is too big, so put the long section in the
> fuselage and use a piece of 6 inch 3/4 lumber on the QD and align it with
> the square. Make sure both sides are the same. Set the wing lateral pus
h
> rod to get the wing QD parallel to the pins. Don't get excited about
> setting the phenolic pads right now. Look hard at your bolt head alignme
nt
> on the QDs. They are probably off a bit. By adjusting slightly the angl
e
> of the QD you can adjust for some misalignment. Then put in the final
> pad. (If too far apart, tack some phenolic in place with a drop of super
> glue to help get things close to final.) Repeat on the other wing. Note
> the ailerons for droop or reflex (up) with both wings rigged and
> pinned. The ailerons should be even (both slightly up or down). Now,
> degrig, adjust the lateral pushrod a turn in the appropriate direction on
> each side, and rerig. Continue until you have them both even and the thr
ow
> correct.
>
> To be honest, sometimes the wingtip is a bit off, so if your flaps are
> dead on, use them. If the tips are off, I use a smart level and my T
> squares to measure if there is twist between wings. That's another fix w
e
> won't get into right now. See my trimming notes if the incidence or flaps
> are not exactly the same.
>
> Good luck this weekend. You have all the tools and frankly it sounds lik
e
> you have the total throw so you're almost there.
>
> Remember, if you haven't taken it apart and put it together at least five
> times (per wing), you're doing it wrong.
>
> Bud Yerly
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* William Daniell <wdaniell.longport@gmail.com>
> *To:* europa-list@matronics.com
> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 25, 2014 7:15 AM
> *Subject:* Re: Europa-List: My ailerons wont go down
>
> Gentlemen thanks for your contributions
>
> I do have more than the full movement required without the wings rigged
> leading me to identify the control system as the prime suspect.
>
> I shall re-start the process from scratch next weekend (very annoying how
> work interferes with building)
>
> - I do actually have a smart tool but it's a long one which is too
> unwieldy for the ailerons so I will acquire a short one
> - Reducing the up throw by one degree per bud's instructions
> - Adjust the wing QD to 90 deg
> - level everything and check that the fuselage end is all correct
> - control columns vertical and parallel
> - centre the ailerons and ensure that the QDs are vertical
> (using my newly acquired short smart tool)
> - And then if that doesn't solve it start playing around with the
> fuselage link rods - where I now suspect the culprit lies.
> - I think on reflection that I haven't followed the process carefully
> enough so ....I am going to do it again...
>
> thanks Will
>
> William Daniell
> LONGPORT
> +57 310 295 0744 <%2B57%20310%20295%200744>
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 3:02 AM, David Joyce <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
> wrote:
>
>> davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
>>
>>
>> William, As a PS if you do have full range on the unrigged wings and ful
l
>> down/reduced up on both with both wings rigged , then you need to adjust
>> the length of control rods between wingroot and bell crank. Regards, Da
vid
>>
>> William Daniell <wdaniell.longport@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> David
>>> Yes the thought ocurred to me and it could be that this is the root of
>>> the
>>> problem. I made two templates and following buds instructions measured
>>> at
>>> the hinge both for up and down ie using the lower surface of the wing
>>> compared to the lower surface of the aileron. So yes I am measuring
>>> both
>>> up and down from the same place...the inboard hinge mid point.
>>> Is this correct?
>>> Will
>>> On 24 Jun 2014 12:43, "David Joyce" <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>> davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> William, I don't know the answer, but if you haven't got one I would
>>>> strongly advise getting or borrowing a Smart Tool so that you can easi
ly
>>>> and very accurately measure angles. It does occur to me to wonder
>>>> whether
>>>> you are measuring your up and down angles off the same surface (i.e. A
re
>>>> you measuring the neutral angle of say the upper surface, then measuri
ng
>>>> the up and down angles of the upper surface, rather than the up angle
of
>>>> the upper surface and the down angle of the lower surface) Regards,
>>>> David
>>>> Joyce, G-XSDJ
>>>>
>>>> William Daniell <wdaniell.longport@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I am rigging everything prior to closing
>>>>>
>>>>> I made some templates 23.5 up and 20 down for use on the underside
>>>>> mindful
>>>>> or buds strictures to measure at the hinge
>>>>>
>>>>> I have followed the procedure on the book (i think).
>>>>>
>>>>> *1. Check that the short aileron link-rod is adjusted such that when
>>>>> the
>>>>> bellcrank W13 is against its **stop, the aileron has moved 23.5=C2=BA
up.*
>>>>> *2. With the aileron at neutral, adjust the length of the lateral
>>>>> push-rod
>>>>> so that the quick-connect **bellcrank W16 is at 90=C2=BA to a line be
tween
>>>>> both
>>>>> spar bushes.*
>>>>> *3. Adjust the tie-rod between both cranks CS08 so that both control
>>>>> columns are parallel.*
>>>>> *4. Adjust the short outer push-rods between the CS08=99s and t
he CS15
>>>>> bellcranks so that the latter are **vertical when the control columns
>>>>> are
>>>>> vertical.*
>>>>> *When the wings are rigged the aileron movement should be 23.5=C2=BA
up and
>>>>> 20=C2=BA
>>>>> down with full lateral **control column movement and both ailerons
>>>>> should
>>>>> be in their neutral positions together when the*
>>>>> *control columns are vertical.*
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> My ailerons go up the required 23.5 deg against both stops but they
>>>>> don't
>>>>> go down the required 20 deg...not even close I would guess that they
>>>>> are
>>>>> about 15-17 down
>>>>>
>>>>> I have taken it to bits and put it together fiddled around but Im
>>>>> stumped.
>>>>> What I am I doing wrong?
>>>>>
>>>>> Might it be that the control columns should not be parallell in this
>>>>> case
>>>>> due to variation in the build....
>>>>>
>>>>> thanks
>>>>>
>>>>> Will
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> William Daniell
>>>>> LONGPORT
>>>>> +57 310 295 0744 <%2B57%20310%20295%200744>
>>>>>
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