Correct, if you do not use a relay deck you will need to use a separate swit
ch to switch between which trim switch you want to operate the trim from
Go to rayallencompany.com and they will have a wiring diagram for differen
t combinations of switching. One of which will suit yours
Regards
Gavin Lee...... ZK-EPA
> On 11/06/2014, at 10:48 pm, "Brian Davies" <brian.davies@clara.co.uk> wrot
e:
>
> Tony,
>
> You only need one if you are controlling trim from more than one source. e
..g. panel switch and stick grip switches or both stick grips. The standard E
uropa configuration does not need a relay deck.
>
> Regards
>
> Brian
>
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-ser
ver@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tony Renshaw
> Sent: 10 June 2014 23:50
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Stick Grips NOW TRIM MOTOR AND RELAY DECK.
>
> Hi Bob and William,
> Here is the relay deck. Not sure why we need one, or if, as to my knowledg
e I was never supplied one, nor have I checked the manual to see if it is in
cluded in the wiring diagram. Pretty remiss of Europa if the servo actually n
eeds one of these things, which is why I am wondering if it is a mod, Bob. I
t says for every servo you need one of these relays. Does anyone know what t
hey actually do, and why it states they are needed? I can run my servo direc
tly from a 12 V power supply with no problem.
> Regards
> Tony Renshaw
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On 11 Jun 2014, at 1:51 am, "Bob Harrison" <ptag.dev@talktalk.net> wrote:
>
> Hi! William.
> The question initially has revolved around the length of the control stick
and loads needed when out of maximum trim.
> My issue was nothing to do with the trim motor, however in your position y
ou should plan the securing of it so that you would be able to remove it in a
n unlikely eventuality of failure because when the top is on it is a bastard
to access. However recently there was much chat about the plastic clevis
es needing 1/8=9D removed from their threaded ends before linking them
with the brass threaded rod to facilitate more movement of the trim and sta
bilators on final inspection.( Hopefully you picked up on that ?)
> My trim reversal problem was not to do with the trim motor but the relay d
eck it had an inherent fault which became masked once the motor had travelle
d to full trim and I had numerous major debates with the Menzemer chaps alwa
ys culminating in them alleging my wiring was at fault. Until one day I had y
et another event and when I contacted them I discovered that they were now s
upplying the MARK II relay deck which is faultless but of different shape al
so making it an arse to shift things around on the back of the panel.
> You need to shout out on the Europa Club pages as to how many others have h
ad this problem and then probably =9Cbite the bullet=9D and get t
he MARK II fitted and done with it.
> Regards
> Bob Harrison G-PTAG
>
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-ser
ver@matronics.com] On Behalf Of William Daniell
> Sent: 10 June 2014 14:50
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Stick Grips
>
> Thanks...but you had a runaway trim? if is was a particular model I am wo
ndering whether I shd change my trim motor (Mac) prior to putting the top on
(I cant imgaine this is much fun with the top on!)
>
> William Daniell
> LONGPORT
> +57 310 295 0744
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 8:19 AM, Bob Harrison <ptag.dev@talktalk.net> wrot
e:
> Hi! William
> ................Just don=99t shorten the control stick ......use the
bent one and fix it by rotating it to best position.
> Regards
> Bob Harrison.
>
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-ser
ver@matronics.com] On Behalf Of William Daniell
> Sent: 10 June 2014 13:20
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Stick Grips
>
> whassat....Bob I dont remember that issue can you enlighten on the trim is
sue please
> Will
>
> William Daniell
> LONGPORT
> +57 310 295 0744
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 4:56 AM, Lance Sandford <sandford@melbpc.org.au> w
rote:
>
> Bob
>
> Thanks Bob. That is about what I suspected.
>
> Regards
>
> Lance Sandford
>
>
> On 10/06/14 18:09, Bob Harrison wrote:
>
> Answer:- NO SHORTER WHATEVER. TO LAND FULLY NOSE UP TRIM IT WOULD BE Extr
emely difficult on your own ! but power assisted by the passenger probably !
But the extreme loads are a question over the mechanical strengths of the l
inkages ! When I had to go to fully trimmed up to get the damn relay deck t
o reverse it was easier to let it go fully nose up trim and pray the deck wo
uld let itself reverse when it got to the end of travel. Been there done tha
t when Menzimer was insisting my problem was wiring when in actual fact they
eventually discovered that the end of the travel by the relay masked the ac
tual problem in the relay . Since I fitted the MARK II relay deck never a pr
oblem !!!!!
> Regards
> Bob Harrison G-PTAG
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-ser
ver@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lance Sandford
> Sent: 10 June 2014 01:13
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Stick Grips
>
> --> <sandford@melbpc.org.au>
>
> Question for those who have test flown their Europa.
>
> How far can you shorten the control stick and still comfortably land the a
ircraft with the stabilizer stuck at full travel in either direction , witho
ut being Superman?
>
> Lance Sandford
>
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