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Re: Europa-List: Stick Grips NOW TRIM MOTOR AND RELAY DECK.

Subject: Re: Europa-List: Stick Grips NOW TRIM MOTOR AND RELAY DECK.
From: William Daniell <wdaniell.longport@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2014 12:40:36
yes i picked up on that and I am going to assemble the whole thing for the
upteenth time.

I am showing my ignorance but what is the relay deck?  I just have a mac
servo on the tail bulkhead, an up/down switch and an indicator light ...

Will

William Daniell
LONGPORT
+57 310 295 0744


On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 10:51 AM, Bob Harrison <ptag.dev@talktalk.net>
wrote:

> Hi! William.
>
> The question initially has revolved around the length of the control stic
k
> and loads needed when out of maximum trim.
>
> My issue was nothing to do with the trim motor, however in your position
> you should plan the securing of it so that you would be able to remove it
> in an unlikely eventuality of failure because when the top is on it is a
> bastard to access.   However recently there was much chat about the
> plastic  clevises needing 1/8=9D removed from their threaded ends b
efore
> linking them with the brass threaded rod to facilitate more movement of t
he
> trim and stabilators on final inspection.( Hopefully you picked up on tha
t
> ?)
>
> My trim reversal problem was not to do with the trim motor but the relay
> deck it had an inherent fault which became masked once the motor had
> travelled to full trim and I had numerous major debates with the Menzemer
> chaps always culminating in them alleging my wiring was at fault. Until o
ne
> day I had yet another event and when I contacted them I discovered that
> they were now supplying the MARK II relay deck which is faultless but of
> different shape also making it an arse to shift things around on the back
> of the panel.
>
> You need to shout out on the Europa Club pages as to how many others have
> had this problem and then probably =9Cbite the bullet=9D and 
get the MARK II
> fitted and done with it.
>
> Regards
>
> Bob Harrison G-PTAG
>
>
> *From:* owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *William Daniell
> *Sent:* 10 June 2014 14:50
> *To:* europa-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: Europa-List: Stick Grips
>
>
> Thanks...but you had a runaway trim?  if is was a particular model I am
> wondering whether I shd change my trim motor (Mac) prior to putting the t
op
> on  (I cant imgaine this is much fun with the top on!)
>
>
> William Daniell
>
> LONGPORT
>
> +57 310 295 0744
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 8:19 AM, Bob Harrison <ptag.dev@talktalk.net>
> wrote:
>
> Hi! William
>
> ................Just don=99t shorten the control stick ......use th
e bent
> one and fix it by rotating it to best position.
>
> Regards
>
> Bob Harrison.
>
>
> *From:* owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *William Daniell
> *Sent:* 10 June 2014 13:20
> *To:* europa-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: Europa-List: Stick Grips
>
>
> whassat....Bob I dont remember that issue can you enlighten on the trim
> issue please
>
> Will
>
>
> William Daniell
>
> LONGPORT
>
> +57 310 295 0744
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 4:56 AM, Lance Sandford <sandford@melbpc.org.au>
> wrote:
>
>
> Bob
>
> Thanks Bob. That is about what I suspected.
>
> Regards
>
> Lance Sandford
>
>
> On 10/06/14 18:09, Bob Harrison wrote:
>
>
> Answer:- NO SHORTER WHATEVER.  TO LAND FULLY NOSE UP TRIM IT WOULD BE
> Extremely difficult on your own ! but power assisted by the passenger
> probably ! But the extreme loads are a question over the mechanical
> strengths of the linkages !  When I had to go to fully trimmed up to get
> the damn relay deck to reverse it was easier to let it go fully nose up
> trim and pray the deck would let itself reverse when it got to the end of
> travel. Been there done that when Menzimer was insisting my problem was
> wiring when in actual fact they eventually discovered that the end of the
> travel by the relay masked the actual problem in the relay . Since I fitt
ed
> the MARK II relay deck never a problem !!!!!
> Regards
> Bob Harrison G-PTAG
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lance Sandford
> Sent: 10 June 2014 01:13
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Stick Grips
>
> --> <sandford@melbpc.org.au>
>
> Question for those who have test flown their Europa.
>
> How far can you shorten the control stick and still comfortably land the
> aircraft with the stabilizer stuck at full travel in either direction ,
> without being Superman?
>
> Lance Sandford
>
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