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Re: Europa-List: Re: Sealing the water and oil coolers in a Classic

Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Sealing the water and oil coolers in a Classic
From: Frans Veldman <frans@privatepilots.nl>
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 08:56:09

On 10/04/2011 11:24 PM, zwakie wrote:
>> Can anyone confirm that the oil pump indeed prevents air from creeping back
into the hose and prevent oil from flowing into the engine

The oil pump is just a rotary type of pump, when not operating it allows 
oil and air to leak into either direction.

  -  is it by any chance the hydraulic valve tappet that takes care of 
this?.

There is an SB about this: if you have got any air in the system you 
have to check that no air remains trapped in the valve tappets. I have 
been forced to go a few times through this procedure but I'd rather 
avoid it. If some air remains in a valve tappet it will quickly destroy 
the associated valve train.

Please check the Rotax installation manual (not the one from Europa but 
---From Rotax) for more information, also about the best locations for 
lubrication components.

>> Assuming that the oil pump does indeed stop oil and air from flowing in 
>> either
direction, I would think that the 'pipe' that sucks oil from the oil tank 
prevents
siphoning from that end because it sits well below the oil tank's oil
level (preventing air from entering that section). Is this reasoning correct?

No. Oil inside the engine continues to "drip" into the sump, and 
therefor a small suction force remains in the oil feed lines. It is 
possible (as many have found out) that the entire contents of the oil 
tank slowly siphons into the engine. (This is the reason you have to 
rotate the prop by hand before starting the engine, so if the oil leaked 
into a cylinder and causes a hydraulic lock you will find out about it 
before engaging the starter and causing a few thousand bucks of damage 
with just one push of a button).

If there is a small leak in the oil suction hoses or fittings at a 
higher spot (above the oil tank level), air will be slowly sucked in. 
That is why it is recommended to keep radiators and such things well 
below the oil level of the oil tank. In that case if there is a leak, 
air won't enter but instead oil would slowly leak out. Less harmful, and 
much more visible. Also, some leaks are too small for oil, but large 
enough for air. So I have routed all hoses and oil components below the 
oil tank level just to be safe. And I'm glad I did: even with the high 
quality oil fittings I've seen the sockets becoming "wet" over time, 
indicating that it is not a 100% air tight fit. If such a fitting would 
have been located above the oil tank level for sure an air bubble would 
have formed there over some time.

And no, it is not a good idea to raise the oil tank to create more 
"clearance": Rotax has some definite rules about the height of the oil 
tank relative to the engine and you'd better stay well into the allowed 
range.

It is all about chances: How big is the chance that you have a small 
leak in a hose or fitting? How big is the chance that subsequently a 
valve tappet fails to release the air? It might be a small chance 
overall but why not choose for the safest way of building the system?

Anyway, I'm not familiar with the Europa classic oil configuration, it 
might be that your idea about the location of the heat exchanger would 
work. Then again, the coolant connection of the engine is on the rear of 
the engine, so you still have the option to put the heat exchanger over 
there.

About the hoses: My experience is that while rubber hoses might still be 
ok for a few years more, it is often not a good idea to reroute them or 
mess with them in any way once they have been in operation for some 
time. The rubber has hardened (or softened), became more brittle, etc. 
When I changed my cooling system I also intended to reuse the old stuff 
but after finding out the condition of these hoses (with only one year 
flying time) I quickly abandoned that idea, ripped it all out and 
installed first class coolant and oil hoses. I was particularly 
concerned about a specific Europa supplied oil hose, the 90 degree elbow 
at the engine oil inlet. That elbow had become very mushy, swollen, soft 
and sticky. Maybe it was an exemplary fault, but still a good reason why 
to distrust rubber hoses. Rubber and oil are not a perfect combination. 
If you use Mogas, traces of ethanol will find its way into the oil 
system, attacking the rubber hoses from the inside. Some rubber hoses 
have been known to delaminate internally, causing invisible blockages.
So, once you are at it and purging the oil system anyway, better get rid 
of the rubber hoses at the same time.

Frans



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