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Re: Europa-List: Europa fuel tank - LDPE or HDPE?

Subject: Re: Europa-List: Europa fuel tank - LDPE or HDPE?
From: Andrew Sarangan <asarangan@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 15:45:35

Pete,
My tank is probably flourinated since I got it after 2000. However
since I haven't fitted my tank in yet, so I may be interested in
getting the extra treatment done. What is the cost? If it is not too
expensive, I could be convinced to split the cost.


On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 7:06 AM, Peter Zutrauen <peterz@zutrasoft.com> wrote:
> Hi Fred,
>
> Indeed it is an industrial process on the loose piece-parts in
> temperature/pressure controlled chambers filled with controlled volumes of
> Fluorine. Different parameter combinations for different levels of
> fluorination (they have 9 different levels). They typically are set up to
> do large mfg runs of auto gas tanks, plastic gerry cans, shampoo bottles
> etc.etc. so I'm eating a minimum charge (which they somewhat reduced for
> me) which is distasteful but understandable, and worth my piece of mind
> (hopefully preventing me from potentially hacking out my tank 5-10 years
> down the road.). If I had 4 tanks or so, I could have done it much more
> cost effectively.
>
> They have 4 facilities which can do the Auto-tank level, and I chose their
> Atlanta plant for it's relative proximity.
>
> I'll keep folks posted how it goes and can provide contact info for any
> interested.
>
> Cheers,
> Pete
> A239
>
> On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 8:45 PM, Fred Klein <fklein@orcasonline.com> wrote:
>>
>> Peter,
>> Since your tank is yet to be installed, I expect that you will be taking
>> it somewhere for treatment. As one w/ an installed but yet to be filled w/
>> fuel tank of similar vintage, I'm wondering about the treatment you
>> anticipate and how it is done...(?)...Is it something which conceivable
>> could be accomplished on an installed tank if the fuselage were trailered to
>> a facility which does this sort of thing?
>> I wouldn't expect the treatment would be offered at the neighborhood
>> "gaairage" (phonetic sp.? lol), but I've no idea what type of facility does
>> this sort of work...do you live near a factory which supplies the auto
>> industry?
>> Please keep us posted on this,
>> Fred
>>
>> On Dec 12, 2010, at 5:13 PM, Peter Zutrauen wrote:
>>
>> thanks all for the info/links. Looks like mine *should* have been done,
>> but since I still don't know to what level, I decided to go get it done
>> again, this time to automotive level standards.
>>
>> Based upon the softness of the tank material, I presume it is LDPE.
>>
>> Cheers & thx,
>> Pete
>> A239, building finally starting in earnest.
>> On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 5:28 PM, Jan de Jong <jan_de_jong@casema.nl>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Introduction of fluorination was in April 1997:
>>>
>>> http://www.sarangan.org/www/mhonarc/mharc/html//europa-list/1997-08/msg00096.html
>>>
>>> I have assumed that my tank from the year 2000 was treated and did not
>>> repeat it. In any case any spilt epoxy bonds to it extremely well (as well
>>> as to itself) - which is supposed to be a side effect of fluorination.
>>>
>>> Jan de Jong
>>>
>>> craig bastin wrote:
>>>>
>>>> my kit is from 2000 as well, and i asked the factory (before the merger)
>>>> back in 2008 if my tank fell into the post non fluorinated time frame, and
>>>> they
>>>> responded this after i indicated the desire to purchase a new
>>>> fluorinated tank. so based on what i was told i would believe yours should
>>>> be ok. If its not
>>>> much cost involved the second treatment would probably be a good
>>>> investment.
>>>> regards
>>>> craig
>>>>  -----Original Message-----
>>>>  *From:* owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
>>>>  [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]*On Behalf Of
>>>>  *Peter Zutrauen
>>>>  *Sent:* Saturday, December 11, 2010 4:43 AM
>>>>  *To:* europa-list@matronics.com
>>>>  *Subject:* Europa-List: Europa fuel tank - LDPE or HDPE?
>>>>
>>>>  Would anyone know which it is? (I think I had heard LDPE)
>>>>
>>>>  I am asking because I am about to spend some money getting my
>>>>  still uninstalled tank Fluorinated or Re-Fluorinated - since I
>>>>  cannot be sure to what level it was done by the Europa factory (if
>>>>  it was done at all back in 2000) and I wish to avoid the swelling
>>>>  and cracking problems some are seeing in service.
>>>>
>>>>  I am choosing to Fluorinate to the same level (AL) as the auto
>>>>  industry (by Fluoro-Seal International LP)
>>>>
>>>>  Thanks in advance,
>>>>  Pete
>>>>  A239
>>>>  Ottawa Canada
>>>>
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