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RE: Europa-List: Vne speed

Subject: RE: Europa-List: Vne speed
From: William Daniell <wdaniell@etb.net.co>
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 16:40:24
This is my understanding also everything in Vspeeds is IAS otherwise you
would have to get you E6b out in the middle of a maneuver=85


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From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of R=E9mi 
Guerner
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 14:52
Subject: Europa-List: Vne speed


Hi Jim,


This is absolutely wrong. All airspeed limitations are IAS, Indicated
AirSpeeds. On the other hand, all performances figures are TAS, True
AirSpeed. 

Besides the instrument error, what your Pitot is senses and what your
anemometer indicates  is exactly what affects the load on the structure 
of
the aircraft.  Suppose you are doing 170kts True AirSpeed at 10000 feet. 
The
density at this altitude in standard atmosphere is 0.74. Your Indicated 
Air
Speed will be 170 multiplied by the square root of the density, i.e 
0.86, so
your anemometer will indicate 146 kts, which is far enough from Vne.     


Remi Guerner

F-PGKL


Subject: Europa-List: Vne Speed
From: "h&amp;jeuropa" < <mailto:europa@triton.net> europa@triton.net>


I have recently become aware that Vne is normally expressed in True 
Airspeed
(TAS).
According to Derek Piggotts Gliding text,  it is important to limit
indicated
airspeed so the true airspeed is kept below the Vne placard speed.
Otherwise
there may be risk of flutter and structural failure.

My XS Owners Manual states that Vne is 165 kts (page 2-1, issue 1).  The
same manual
states that for a 914 typical performance is Cruise speed (100% @ 10,000
ft) 170 kts TAS (page 12-2, issue 1).  But that is 5 kts greater than 
Vne!! 
That page also states Top Speed (sea level) 144 kts RAS.  What is RAS?   
Is
it
a typing error (R is adjacent to T on a keyboard)?  RAS is also referred 
to
on
the 912 performance page.

What are the performance numbers for the MG?  Brochure says 151 kts TAS 
max
cruise
speed for 914 at 10000 ft.  So is 151 KTAS Vne?

It is very easy to exceed 165 KTAS when descending from altitude.  
Should
this
be avoided? 

Jim Butcher 
XS N241BW



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