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Re: Europa-List: Doors ( - not "The Doors"...)

Subject: Re: Europa-List: Doors ( - not "The Doors"...)
From: Duncan McFadyean <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 09:49:00
Nigel,
I think we can safely say that the doors are non-structural and have no 
significant load bearing function, given that they are merely loosely 
pinned  to the  main structure. In fact without the main structure to 
hold them, the doors would be pretty useless.

Where they may be beneficial is in helping the main structure to 
maintain its shape under certain loading conditions (eg in a crash), 
thereby improving the toughness of that structure.

Aerodynamic considerations aside of course!

Duncan McF
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: nigel charles 
  To: europa-list@matronics.com 
  Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2006 1:29 AM
  Subject: RE: Europa-List: Doors ( - not "The Doors"...)


  In the case of the Europa the door apertures represent quite a large 
surface area of that part of the fuselage. Although several pilots have 
shown that the aircraft can be flown satisfactorily with one of the 
doors removed, it bothers me that it without doubt reduces the 
structural strength of the fuselage. As we know when building the 
aircraft the rigidity of the fuselage greatly increases when the windows 
are installed. Whilst flights have been carried out without incident I 
would question the loads the fuselage could take with one or both of the 
doors removed. Certainly with both doors removed there will be an 
increased load on the narrow overhead panel between the doors. I had to 
significantly reinforce the overhead panel when I cut a small overhead 
vent because the overhead panel is considered a strength critical part 
of the airframe. I would not be happy flying the Europa with one or both 
of the doors removed without the necessary stress calculations proving 
it not to be a problem.  If the calculations have been done and prove 
this not to be a problem please ignore all the above.

   

  Nigel Charles

   

  -----Original Message-----
  From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com 
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Watts
  Sent: 23 June 2006 21:37
  To: europa-list@matronics.com
  Subject: Re: Europa-List: Doors ( - not "The Doors"...)

   

  Well I have done it and I have to say it was awful. Admitted it was an 
appaling day with the weather, but the vibration through the airframe 
was unreal. Sarah, my daughter was actually flying the aircraft whilst I 
was doing the photos (a photo shoot of Pete Kember's kit 1000 for the 
PFA magazine).

   

  Stangely, when we came round for the second attempt at landing 
(because all the sensations seemed completely wrong the first time), for 
some unknown reason I put my hand up and held the edge of the door 
frame, at about forehead level, and suddenly most of the vibrations went 
away.  That probably means that it was some sort of swirling set up 
through the single open door. Maybe both doors off would be a better 
proposition.

   

  But still, we got the photos in the can, and we know what we will not 
be doing again.

   

  Dave Watts

  G-BXDY - Monowheel Classic - 912S/Airmaster - 1200 hours

    Question: Have anyone tried to fly the Europa without one door? 

    Problem: we need a platform for some air/air photos of span-cans, 
and my AC should be able to fly slow enough...... :-)))

    Answer: dismount the right door, but who knows what will happen..? 

    Regards Gert

     

    #151

    OY-GDS 

    Mono with 914


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