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Re: Tailplane mass balance stops

Subject: Re: Tailplane mass balance stops
From: Steve Hagar <hagargs@earthlink.net>
Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 19:49:55
Cleeve;

I noted the requirement of -4 degrees but I have been bitten too many times
by just meeting the spec. doing a bunch of work on something and coming
back later and not meeting the requirement later.  I wholely expect
something to change after bonding the top on the whole mess and will not
enjoy crawling back there when the two halfs  are together.   So I'm
shooting for the 5 or better to ensure 4 later on.  


> [Original Message]
> From: <clevelee@cswebmail.com>
 > Date: 1/31/02 5:30:11 PM
> Subject: Re:  Tailplane mass balance stops
>
> Steve,
> 
> Thanks -
> 
> I found on Page 19-7, later in the manual when setting up the trim tab
mechanism the final movement says +12, -4 degrees.  This is repeated, but
broadened in the Annex E page 2, Final Inspection Checklist, where they
specify +12 to 13 degrees and - 4 to 5 degrees.
> 
> 
> Cleve Lee
> A198 Mono XS
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, 30 January 2002, "Steve Hagar" wrote:
> 
> > 
> > Cleve:
> > 
> > I am using the reference on page 18-7 for installing the tail plane push
> > rod. 
> > Where they say 6 deg trailing edge down and 14 up  to ensure that the
final
> > movement of the tailplanes will result in a maximum of 13 and -5.
> > 
> > Steve
> > A143
> > Mesa AZ
> > 
> > > [Original Message]
> > > From: <clevelee@cswebmail.com>
> > > Cc: <europa@avnet.co.uk>; <hagargs@earthlink.net>
> >  > Date: 1/30/02 4:48:25 PM
> > > Subject: Re: Tailplane mass balance stops
> > >
> > > Steve,
> > > My XS manual only calls for 4 degrees down.  That 5th degree would
cause
> > a similar problem for me.
> > > 
> > > Is there something I should know??
> > > 
> > > Cleve Lee
> > > A198 Mono XS
> > > 
> > > 
> > > On Mon, 28 January 2002, "Dave Simpson" wrote:
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
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> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Steve,
> > > > 
> > > > Mine did this too. I simply
> > machineda 
> > > > part of the mass balance away, so that it looks rather like a
truncated
> > cone at 
> > > > the forward end.Then it cleared OK.
> > > > 
> > > > Dave
> > > > <BLOCKQUOTE 
> > > > style="BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px;
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> > > >   ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > >   <DIV 
> > > >   style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color:
> > black"From: 
> > > >   <A href="mailto:hagargs@earthlink.net";
> > title=hagargs@earthlink.net>Steve 
> > > >   Hagar 
> > href="mailto:europa@avnet.co.uk"; 
> > > >   title=europa@avnet.co.uk>Europa club net 
2002
> > 12:00 
> > > >   AM
> > > >   Subject: Europa_Mail:
Tailplane
> > mass 
> > > >   balance stops
> > > >   

> > > >   


> > > >   
> > > >   I'm up to another case of looking for someone who has been
in a
> > similar 
> > > >   "been there done that" situation. I am in the process of putting
in
> > the 
> > > >   bulkhead and stops for the tail plane mass balance. During
the
> > first 
> > > >   iteration, (setup as described in the manual), things did not pan
out
> > as 
> > > >   expected (typical). The end result was that the aircraft nose down
> > travel 
> > > >   (balance up) exceeded limits of bulkheads. 
> > > >   
> > > >   The second iteration involved getting rid of the big
fat
> > wooden 
> > > >   dowel and rubber hose stop (1.5" dia) and replacing them with a
UHMW
> > type 
> > > >   material stop around the cross bolt with a dia of .5" to get the
mass
> > weight 
> > > >   down lower to start with. At this point the weight stops
about
> > 1.2" 
> > > >   above the tailplane push tube in its lowered position. The end
result
> > was that 
> > > >   it looked close, though the next step was to get technical and
> > actually lay 
> > > >   the top of the aircraft on the whole mess before continuing.
> > > >   
> > > >   With the top on, the weight smacks the top of the
> > fuselagebeing a 
> > > >   little over a degree short of the minimum amount required of
> > nose down 
> > > >   travel.Granted only 5 degrees is called for but I am short
over 
> > > >   20%.I see my direction now as doing some
creative
> > machining 
> > > >   of the steel weights when it comes time for metal removal and
> > balancing to get 
> > > >   clearances. Or to do some beefing up of the lower stop to allow
> > the 
> > > >   weight to get even closer to the tube at its bottom travel.
> > > >   
> > > >   Any "out of the box" insights would be much
appreciated.
> > > >   
> > > >   Steve Hagar
> > > >   A143 
> > > >   Mesa, AZ
> > > >   
> > > >   --- Steve Hagar
> > > >   --- <A 
> > > > href="mailto:hagargs@earthlink.net";>hagargs@earthlink.net
> > > >   
> > > >   
> > > >  
> >


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> > --- Steve Hagar
> > --- hagargs@earthlink.net
> > 
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