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Subject: Re: Europa-List: PC680 battery
From: Fred Klein <freddythek10@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2019 17:17:01
Gary...my PC680 is very happy being charged by an EnerSys charger ...sorry I
 can=99t give you a model #... and it=99s so light that I=99
ve mounted it onboard.

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> On Apr 6, 2019, at 3:04 PM, Gary Leinberger <Gary.Leinberger@millersville.
edu> wrote:
> 
> I just ordered another PC680 for my 912 S Europa. This one lasted almost 5
 years. I have had little problem with these batteries, even when using a st
andard automotive battery charger that brings the battery up to about 13.5 o
r volts. Lately it has only been able to bring the battery up to 12.8 v and I
 have been having problems starting, especially when cold. But today was 65 d
egrees F. so I pulled it out, saw the date on it, and bit the bullet. 
> 
> Does anyone know of a charger that will charge these batteries properly - n
ormally when cold I turn on my engine block heater and put the charger on th
e battery to warm it up and I have no problem. However, I did try an Odessey
 battery charger and it burned up - I was lucky I didn't lose the plane. Ode
ssey was less than helpful and basically blew me off after admitting that ch
arger model had problems. They apparently dropped that model and brought out
 a new model but I felt a tad nervous about using their charger. Any suggest
ions?
> 
> 
> Gary Leinberger
> N388SG
> Europa A237
> Lancaster, Pa., USA 
> 380 hours. 
> 
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>      1. 01:18 AM - Re: Which battery claims should I believe?  (clivesutto
n)
>      2. 09:24 AM - Europa Aircraft - location change  (John Wighton)
>      3. 12:13 PM - Re: Which battery claims should I believe?  (JonathanMi
lbank)
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> ________________________________  Message 1  _____________________________
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> Subject: Europa-List: Re: Which battery claims should I believe?
> From: "clivesutton" <clive.maf@googlemail.com>
> 
> 
> Hi Jonathan,
> 
> To contribute to to your original question (which is indeed fascinating) i
 think
> the answer may have to do with the internal chemistries/construction of ea
ch,
> the way each Mfr interprets e.g. CCA and CA testing and their market focus
.
> I believe that:
> 
> Varley have the best Pulse Hot Cranking Amp performance because they are o
f sealed
> bog std lead acid construction.  But this comes at the price of life (from

> apprenticeship days i recall that the pure lead plates can buckle under co
ntinuous
> high-amperage discharge and eventually this and sulphation shorts an indiv
idual
> cell, dropping the battery voltage).
> 
> The Odessey and the Tanya are both Absorbed Glass Mat tech - a tech which s
eems
> to offer a better life at the expense of lower Cold-Cranking Performance a
nd
> capacity - a kind of compromise.  In my view this is perhaps best type sui
ted
> to our application given the sometimes lengthy time gaps between use.  The
 912S's
> higher capacity starter motor is rated at 0.9kW at 12v which translates to

> a demand of  300A for 1 sec and then 75A for the remainder to the maximum 1
0-second
> start cycle.  So providing the battery cabling is short and 4SWG/16mm2
> those were the reasons for my choice of the Odessey battery.
> 
> Whilst Odessey list Aircraft use as an application, Tanya seem to list the
 EC680
> as predominantly a Motorcycle battery.  Even more curious is that Tanya wi
ll
> sell both batteries - with the EC680 being 20 cheaper.  Vibration durabili
ty
> perhaps?
> 
> https://www.tayna.co.uk/industrial-batteries/odyssey/pc680/?gclid=EAIaIQ
obChMI7uHf9L244QIVz5TtCh17tgzhEAQYAiABEgKa3fD_BwE
> 
> https://www.tayna.co.uk/motorcycle-batteries/enduroline/ec680/
> 
> There is also a lot of re-badging going on in the battery world and i wond
er if
> the PC680/EC680 is an example of that
> 
> Hope it can add to the debate . . .
> 
> 
> Read this topic online here:
> 
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=488535#488535
> 
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> ________________________________  Message 2  _____________________________
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> 
> Subject: Europa-List: Europa Aircraft - location change
> From: "John Wighton" <john@wighton.net>
> 
> 
> Please see the announcement by Europa.
> 
> http://www.europa-aircraft.co.uk/news/item/europa-aircraft-is-moving
> 
> --------
> John Wighton
> Europa XS trigear G-IPOD
> 
> 
> Read this topic online here:
> 
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=488549#488549
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> ________________________________  Message 3  _____________________________
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> 
> 
> Subject: Europa-List: Re: Which battery claims should I believe?
> From: "JonathanMilbank" <jdmilbank@yahoo.co.uk>
> 
> 
> Clive, your reply is really helpful and your "re-badging" suggestion is mo
re or
> less borne out by a man I spoke to at Tanya, although who's to say whether
 the
> "own brand" EC680 is of just as high a quality as the PC680. The 20 reduct
ion
> in price might suggest cheaper components and processes.
> 
> So I "bit the bullet" and ordered the Odyssey, after having been beaten in
to submission
> by the overwhelming flood of testimonials in its favour. Thanks to all
> for the repeated "lashes with the Odyssey whip". I feel so much better!
> 
> 
> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=488552#488552
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