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Re: Europa-List: Ammeter spike

Subject: Re: Europa-List: Ammeter spike
From: Pete <peterz@zutrasoft.com>
Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2017 14:43:54
=46rom your diagram, I cannot see any reason for an excessive current spike w
hen the alt switch/breaker is pulled, and the battery is left in the circuit
 supplying the total load (since the capacitor i referenced is before the al
t switch on the alt side).  You are correct that you should be able to run o
ff battery with the alt disconnected. What is the voltage on the bus when on
 battery only? What is the buss voltage and battery current with everything t
urned on and engine stopped (and alt cct bkr pulled)?  You could also try st
arting and running with the alt disconnected, and monitor/record the current
 and voltage. 

Something seems amiss if you are seeing a 60A current spike when taking the a
lternator out of the cct. Could it be that you actually have a short somewhe
re on your buss, and the alternator is working like crazy to satisfy it, par
tially masking the ammeter reading? Is the alternator actually charging the b
attery when in the cct and engine running? What is the buss voltage in that c
ondition?

Hth,
Pete


> On Oct 9, 2017, at 8:22 AM, William Daniell <wdaniell.longport@gmail.com> w
rote:
> 
> Pete
> 1.  Here is the wiring schematic which is stock Europa.
> 2.  the "slow blow fuzes" in the diagram where replaced with 25A and 30A C
ircuit breakers respectively
> 3.  The spike occurred when I pulled the ALT circuit breaker while the eng
ine was running.  I didn't leave it out for long because I was worried about
 damage to the system.
> 4.  I did not pull the battery CB at the same time.
> 
> So in summary the ALT CB, when pulled, shuts down the ALT feed to the bus.

> 
> My understanding was that one needed to be able to power the electrical sy
stem from either the battery or the alternator alone in the case an emergenc
y.
> 
> Many thanks
> 
> Will
> 
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> 
> William Daniell
> LONGPORT
> +57 310 295 0744
> 
>> On Sat, Oct 7, 2017 at 3:16 PM, Pete <peterz@zutrasoft.com> wrote:
>> Id need to see your wiring schematic, and understand exactly when this su
rge occurs....but there will be a surge if the capacitor is in a discharged s
tate, and if there is a switch and shunt between the capacitor and the ducat
ti dump-regulator output, and this switch is closed after the engine is alre
ady running.
>> 
>>> On Oct 7, 2017, at 3:17 AM, William Daniell <wdaniell.longport@gmail.com
> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Pete
>>> thanks.  Is this a problem/potential problem?  Or is this a short term e
vent? 
>>> Will
>>> 
>>> William Daniell
>>> LONGPORT
>>> +57 310 295 0744
>>> 
>>>> On Fri, Oct 6, 2017 at 2:31 PM, Pete <peterz@zutrasoft.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Depending upon where the large capacitor is, yes, it could spike like t
hat of it was discharged.
>>>> 
>>>> > On Oct 6, 2017, at 11:52 AM, William Daniell <wdaniell.longport@gmail
.com> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > I have a dynon skyview and the ammeter reads off the shunt per dynon m
anual.  My electrical system is standard europa without deviation and i have
 a rotax 912
>>>> >
>>>> > The last time a flew when i started the engine had a red x over the a
mmeter (ie not working) where it had worked on the previous flight.
>>>> >
>>>> > I pulled the alt 30A cb which reset the "instrument" and thereafter i
t read normally.  I left the 30A battery cb set during this process.
>>>> >
>>>> > My question:  When I pulled the cb the amp reading, once it came aliv
e, spiked up to 60A.  I immediately reset the cb and everything settled back
 down to its normal readings.
>>>> >
>>>> > Is this spike normal?
>>>> >
>>>> > Thanks
>>>> >
>>>> > Will
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