Hello Christophe!
You are mostly right but not totally. What I know most Europas are flown
two persons omboard, but...
If you check carefully Original Europa marketing material 1993,
they claimed you can put two baby seats to the back.
I talked a lot about it during 1998 with Europa staff and was inspired
to do so and so I did!
I did not installed any baby seats but safety belts and 4 way intercom.
And so we have flown all family four omboard together say 100 hours from
2007 to 2013.
My Europas back seat is very comfortable for people under 150 cm.
However if you are flexible enough, even a full size but sporty man can
move overseas easily there!
Look how happy Dirk is! (photo taken just before the maiden flight
29.4.2007).
My Europas empty weight is 412 kg and MTOW is 658 kg. That means I can
load 246 kg.
- me 90 kg
- wife 57 kg
- daughter Tuuli (today) 52 kg
- daughter Merete (today) 31 kg
- fuel 16 kg (during take off easily of course more, but when landing
not more than say 20 liters = 1 hour reserve).
Balance: the weight limit for my Europas back seat is 60 kg. That means
it was actually year 2013 when we have flown last time
both girls there. Their weight all together was then 58 kg + light
summer clothes.
After that we have flown couple of times all together both girls on the
right front seat and my wife back.
Honestly that was not so comfortable and now you know why my wife had to
get a flying license and a plane.
I got tired of listening to complaints! Man had to do what man had to
do. And woman also!
I still regularly fly with 5 souls omboard - me, 2 girls + our medium
size dog (37 kg) and our giant cat (9 kg)!
It has been said many times but Europa is a wonderfull touring machine,
also suitable for a small lightweight family!
Now you know - hope this helps!
Cheers,
Raimo
OH-XRT
Finland
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26.12.2016, 0:26, Christophe Dupr kirjoitti:
> Raimo,
>
> Did you say you have a 4 seater europa? I thought they only had 2 seats.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Christophe
>
> On 25 December 2016 19:11:37 GMT+00:00, Raimo Toivio
> <raimo.toivio@rwm.fi> wrote:
>
> Hello!
>
> I did perform today my traditional Xmas flight and wanna share
> this story with you.
>
> Normally I have flown my special four seater (actually 2+2) Europa
> with my family
> (wife & two daughters), but this time they elected to stay home
> - they know too much and did not like that snowing.
>
>
> My wife has always had an ability to say "no" if she feels so. For
> my teenagers (12&15)
> its today natural. Our dog and cat fly happily, but I did not
> asked them to join.
>
> Went this time alone. Uh!
>
> I drove to EFTP Tampere, which is 20 km from us. When I got the
> plane out from hangar,
> it was a heavy snowing. Despite of that I decided to "try". Took
> of 24 and instantly I got
> a medium feeling "better to land immeadialely". So I did. I towed
> my RT back to hangar and it
> took all together say one hour. When coming out, weather was
> better. I even saw some
> blue sky there and there. But it was sunset, UTC in Finland here
> today is 1508. I considerred
> a while, took my plane again out and so off we went!
>
> By the way, it was a little strange feeling, because this airport
> EFTP, which is the 2nd largest
> in Finland, is closed always during The Christmas Day. I was
> totally alone there and untowered.
>
> Maybe that was better.
>
> So I flew during the twilight time home to EFRT, which took 5
> minuts. I made several warning
> circuits over our field, becaus my girls were there horse riding
> with our Dakota, a black stallion.
> I landed to 30, which is a grass strip 300 metres long. Wind 200
> 12 kn G22. Muddy. Temperature 0.
> QNH 9002 mbar. Tailwind was not a problem, only moderate braking
> actions was needed before the road.
>
> What a wonderful aircraft we have! I have landed here also several
> times w C172 but thats painfull!
>
> I taxied home and there my family was waiting their father. My
> wife tried to keep her faces calm,
> but I noticed she was a bit upset and thats good. Almost always
> when so, next night will be real wild!!!
> I have to say that was not my only reason to fly today. Actually I
> liked the action - flying - itself also.
>
> Time was fast running and I took of almost instantly runway 21,
> which is just 200 metres long.
> Its enough for me and my Europa (912S w Airmaster and "some"
> mods). Upp in the air it was
> say 120 metres with the aid of that moderaty opposite wind and low
> temp.
>
>
> Then I flew direct to the Tampere City and made a not-so-low low
> pass over the Christmas Market
> (transponder off, inside the CTR but possible because EFTP was
> closed). Then joining a long final
> of EFTP 24. I love long finals, somehow during them, time stands
> still, you know. If honest, I would
> like to be forever in the long finals. Now you know me.
>
>
> There I was again. Home. Home of my beloved Europa. It started
> again snowing but no matter, mission accomplished! Time was
> 1531 as you can see from the UTC GPS coupled time&temp display.
> And please notice the Europa logo over it!
>
> Someone may notice the wing inside the hangar. OH-U666 (formerly
> known as SE-VAY). Thats my wifes aircraft LamcoCub, its origin
> a Canadian
> bushplane which we bought from Sweden, Stockholm couple of years ago.
> It happened so, that I crashed it totally this fall. Uh! Landed to
> EFTP during perfect
> conditions, for touch and go. With full power just before take off she
> decided to ground loop super tightly counterclockwise. I had just
> installed
> a new tail wheel into it, Maule original. My wise wife said please
> no no.
> Thats a normal tailwheel, but when taxiing slowly and using
> differential
> brake, it goes free. That happened during my take off, because
> of the prop circulation effect. It went free w/o contact, hello my
> balls!
> The right gear was collapsed, the right wing destroyed,
> and also, because of the strut, the fuselage went node. Both tanks
> went broken
> and there I was in the plane, when 80 litres of the fuel poured
> out. I was ok,
> and went flying instantly with my Europa. I have to do so, and you
> know why!
> What a strong ac! Very strange it was, that prop & engine were ok!?
> If the propeller should be rotated, it would have been 40 cm in
> the ground.
> Obviously I have (no recollection) shut down the magnetos during
> the action,
> which was really fast. Unfortunately we had no insurance - written
> out.
> Thats why I have to build it airborne - will be next spring
> airborne! Yes!
>
>
> Someone should obviously wash the plane - EFRT was really muddy.
>
>
> I towed her again to her hangar, said goodby and drove home.
>
> I really can say that I love this machine!
>
> If she were a Real Woman, I yes indeed would like to make love
> with her.
> And Im pretty sure, that my wife would like to say yes in that case.
> Because thats probably never possible, I have to be happy just
> flying her.
> Happily I Know she is also...
>
> I am pretty sure Frans understand me: he has an extremely
> beautiful young wife,
> but would like to make love with his ac if possible AND thats ok
> by Ilona.
>
> Here under from left Ilona, Frans, Miss Netherlands Super Pilots
> Mother Hersef, me
> - Donald Duck - and my wife Marke.
>
> Photo taken in Texel Airshow couple of year ago, 2013.
>
>
> One day we will have a race w Frans and Im a bit faster of course.
> Frans will have a problem; he has genarated several genius mods to
> his trike,
> but I have a perfect Mono - no chance! Fast birds retract the
> gears - thats so!
> Other one need stabilizers..like nose wheels...
>
> Coming home. Home along the road "Koivuniementie" (in English
> "Birch Cape Road) we have installed this sign. The meaning of the
> Finnish text is about " watch out for randomly rising and falling
> planes".
>
>
> We have built our home strip after 20 years of fight with a landowner,
> who definetly did not want an airfield to his field. He died and I
> continued the fight with his son, but no success. Then I started
> to talk with the grand son - third generation - and finally the
> solution was found. I will not report here how but I used all the
> tricks i have learned in my life and got what I wanted. First we built
> a little tower and 03/21. Mostly we have western winds and so
> we have to land from north-east, under the 110 kV power lines.
> The power company did not like that and they managed the
> Finnish FAA and Ministry of Transport to "*say*" me its strictly
> forbidden to use this place for landing the acs. That started a fight
> of my lifetime. We built 12/30 which is parallel to the power lines
> and took of one 20 kV line and several other lines. Actually
> because of that we lost our fixed telephone & internet copper lines.
> No matter - 4G is not so bad!
>
> 23.12.2015 the miracle happened; we got the letter from the officials
> "you are free to use your temporary airfield". What a day. Actually,
> after that, they have regularly visited us by helicopter, and took off
> some Flying Brewery beer, which we brew in the ESVS, Siljansns
> Airpark, only Airpark in the Scandinavia.
>
>
> My Europas Maiden Flight was 29.4.2007. It was flown by Dirk van
> Oyen,
> the composite professor from Belgium, younger than me but actually
> my Father!
> Today he is for example an Airmaster and Norwegian dry suit
> retailer in Europe.
> We will never forget the moment when he suddenly came here and
> asked "are you the
> Europa Builder?". That happened just after 2000. He came here w a
> strange mc with for example
> a hand made cruise control after a hard circle around Scandinavian
> countries.
> What a beard he had - we thought some Russian partisan is coming
> here,
> taking my life, my wife and selling my kids and some properties.
> But it was not so.
> What a man! Please destroy instantly your Airmasters and please
> buy new ones from The Dirk!
>
> OH-XRT has flown 492 hrs and I have made 788 landings with my Mono.
> This is hard for some Englishmen, but I havent so far broken any
> prop.
> Im proud enough to say, this is not possible only with a lucky.
> Actually no problems at all, if I do not count several serious
> fuel related problem.
> This could be a long story, but my first engine stop was during TT 5.
> One of them was over the Baltic Sea. But we are he, me and my RT.
> Some day - maybe in the Europa Magazine - I will report a full
> story about
> my strange but very understandable fuel problems
>
> (Jos - you were right - if Mono is in a wrong position, its not
> possible to fill fuel full, sorry!).
>
> One more thing:
>
> My Europa has 10 years birthday 2017. Many of you have asked me to
> share the exact location
> of The EFTR. Its*N611743 E0234557. *Same lat as in Anchorage in
> Alaska from where I bought the new skins
> to my wifes ac, which I brought. Do not be afraid, some times
> its really possible to fly here.
> Actually many of you know that, like David Bosomworth, Bob Super
> Harrison, Dirk of course
> and for example our brave chairman.
>
> Here they are, 3 Europas and their pilot after mid night flight in
> Finland EFP.
>
>
> So, we, My Flying Family Toivio, welcome you ALL here 2017. All
> who are really landing to the EFRT,
> will get a special attention; a very rare landing drink "Aviator
> Ale", a spectacular gift,
> free hospitality, full high level food and of course a sauna,
> golf, spa, mid-night-sun
> and such a things (fuel 98E available, but not totally free).
> Please do not believe
> Bobs stories about monster mosquitos, there was not any but only
> just one then when he was here
> (and actually she was a miniature size and almost dying, that
> happened in Sauna unfortunately,
> probable she was biting Bobs Grande Balls and thats why he is
> still so shocked about this).
>
> _Must ask a permission to land!_ Call + 358 40 590 1450 before coming.
>
> There are then and then 300 cows on the field and we have to pay
> 5000 all you hit!
>
> Welcome!
>
> Seasons Greetings - We wish you all safe flights 2017!
>
> Cheers, Raimo Toivio
>
>
> Europa XS Mono OH-XRT #417 2007
> LamcoCub M SE-VAY 2004
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>
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