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RE: Europa-List: Re: Fuselage join

Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: Fuselage join
From: Karl Heindl <kheindl@msn.com>
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2015 09:50:46
Alternatively=2C don't put any oil on. Just turn c-clockwise 1/4 turn after
 a few hours cure time. Even when fully cured=2C the screws will come out w
ithout any problem.Karl


> Date: Thu=2C 8 Jan 2015 09:05:03 +0000
> From: pete@lawless.info
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Fuselage join
> 
> 
> Just as an extra precaution give the screws a good dose of WD40 or 
> similar before fitting then they come out easily once the glue has gone 
> off.  I had mine in a pot pre dosed before I started the fit.
> 
> Pete
> G-RMAC Classic #109
> 
> On 08/01/15 01:54=2C Bud Yerly wrote:
> >
> > Time for my two cents:
> >
> > Bob Berube introduced me to using the self tapping screws but caution 
> > is necessary.
> >
> > To fit the top I use US 3/32 inch clecos.  This type of cleco does not

> > pull through as easily since the lower flange is four layers. After 
> > fitting the top for the fourth time or more=2C sometimes I have to 
> > upgrade to 1/8 inch. We have probably close to 500 clecos so no big 
> > deal for us.
> >
> > For those using the British style temporary fastener:
> > I will use washers with the British style fastener as the lip on these

> > fasteners deteriorate the hole in fiberglass pretty quick. If I have 
> > to put on a washer=2C I have to prep the area=2C and I glue the washer 
on 
> > with super glue.  Lasts a long time.  Gluing is all about the prep.  I

> > wash the whole kit first with TSP or detergent to remove the release 
> > wax.  Then I clean the joint with acetone and scotch brite.  If you 
> > sand=2C and it makes dust=2C it's ready to glue.  No dust on sanding=2C
 bad 
> > joint.
> >
> > Like Ron and many others=2C I will screw on my top on final=2C because 
I 
> > can put the screw in and pull down until the skins come to a nice 
> > fit.  Don't pull the screw down hard and force the two skins to pull 
> > down so hard as to squeeze all the glue out.  Nor do you want the 
> > screw to pull the outer skin away from the inner.  It's a technique.  
> > Be careful.  Screws are the same principle as the screw type temp 
> > fastener=2C which can be pulled down too tight as well.
> >
> > Technique:
> > To get a nice fit=2C and get control of my joint=2C I open up my top si
de 
> > holes a bit to allow the screw to spin and not grip=2C and then allow 
> > the self tapping screw threads to bite into the lower so I can adjust 
> > the skin pull down with careful screw gun use...
> >
> > As for fit.  I try to keep the sides level=2C but don't worry.  Just 
> > fill it. The sides are flat on the kit=2C and I like to fill the sides

> > then block a nice curvy rounded side.  If the filler ever gets beyond 
> > 3/32 inch=2C consider putting a layer of 2 oz. glass over the filler. 

> > Peel ply and its ready for a bit more filler... No cracking.  If you 
> > are worrying about your walkway area showing cracks around the wing 
> > fillet to skin=2C we lay one layer of carbon from just behind the wing

> > spar out to the first forward rib to stiffen the skin=2C and to prevent

> > cracks in the filler which is scary seeing cracks in your wing.  
> > Filler is a necessary evil in a composite airplane. Learn the 
> > technique.  I started learning to fill by doing my wheel pants.  I 
> > have found that nice wheel pants take as long to fill as the 
> > fuselage.  All those curvy fillets are a pain.
> >
> > Have a happy new year you all.
> >
> > Best Regards=2C
> > Bud Yerly
> >
> >
> >
> > --------------------------------------------------
> > From: "rparigoris" <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
> > Sent: Wednesday=2C January 07=2C 2015 8:09 PM
> > To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Europa-List: Re: Fuselage join
> >
> >> <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
> >>
> >> Hi Group
> >>
> >> As far as the fuse seam joint: "awe=2C just screw it"!
> >>
> >> I used Clecos for a gazillion on and offs=2C but screws that captured

> >> very nice.
> >>
> >> I detailed my top bond on=2C could save a bunch of bullets in your foo
t:
> >> http://www.europaowners.org/main.php?g2_itemId=35521
> >> (3 pages)
> >>
> >> There are more notes than this so study pics and my notes. Here are a

> >> few:
> >> ** pay attention for need to trim sternpost (easy to overlook)
> >> ** as I noted use enough fasteners=2C you can see recovery (I found ou
t 
> >> when I cut vent hole)
> >> ** my kit was missing foam and second layer of glass on the inboard 
> >> side=2C so I added foam and glass
> >> ** My fin ribs fit terrible=2C so I mutilated and made them fit
> >> ** poor fit starboard side corner fixed by "dolphin" repair
> >>
> >> Good luck.
> >> Top bond on was a fun part of build! Enjoy.
> >> Sincerely
> >> Ron Parigoris
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Read this topic online here:
> >>
> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=436762#436762
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