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RE: Europa-List: Stick Grips Now Runaway Trim control stick Loads......

Subject: RE: Europa-List: Stick Grips Now Runaway Trim control stick Loads......
From: Bob Harrison <ptag.dev@talktalk.net>
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2014 17:09:17
Peter.....it is more than you would want for much more than 10 minutes. 
Please note I have not been talking about a runaway situation. Just a 
rogue relay deck not reversing until reaching the end of the travel.  
That has now been rectified by fitting the MARK II relay from Ford Allan 
/Menzimer organisation.

Regards

Bob Harrison.


From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com 
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peter 
Zutrauen
Sent: 10 June 2014 14:30
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Stick Grips


approx how many pounds of push/pull stick force is it at cruise with a 
runaway trim (with a stock length stick)?

cheers & thx,
Pete


On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 9:19 AM, Bob Harrison <ptag.dev@talktalk.net> 
wrote:

Hi! William

................Just don=99t shorten the control stick ......use 
the bent one and fix it by rotating it to best position.

Regards

Bob Harrison.


From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com 
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of William 
Daniell
Sent: 10 June 2014 13:20


Subject: Re: Europa-List: Stick Grips


whassat....Bob I dont remember that issue can you enlighten on the trim 
issue please

Will


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On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 4:56 AM, Lance Sandford <sandford@melbpc.org.au> 
wrote:

<sandford@melbpc.org.au>

Bob

Thanks Bob. That is about what I suspected.

Regards

Lance Sandford


On 10/06/14 18:09, Bob Harrison wrote:

<ptag.dev@talktalk.net>

Answer:- NO SHORTER WHATEVER.  TO LAND FULLY NOSE UP TRIM IT WOULD BE 
Extremely difficult on your own ! but power assisted by the passenger 
probably ! But the extreme loads are a question over the mechanical 
strengths of the linkages !  When I had to go to fully trimmed up to get 
the damn relay deck to reverse it was easier to let it go fully nose up 
trim and pray the deck would let itself reverse when it got to the end 
of travel. Been there done that when Menzimer was insisting my problem 
was wiring when in actual fact they eventually discovered that the end 
of the travel by the relay masked the actual problem in the relay . 
Since I fitted the MARK II relay deck never a problem !!!!!
Regards
Bob Harrison G-PTAG

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com 
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lance 
Sandford
Sent: 10 June 2014 01:13
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Stick Grips

--> <sandford@melbpc.org.au>

Question for those who have test flown their Europa.

How far can you shorten the control stick and still comfortably land the 
aircraft with the stabilizer stuck at full travel in either direction , 
without being Superman?

Lance Sandford


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