Christoph,
what bigger that better in this action.
If small, you will loose your nerves - it is so
slow. Refueling speed is also safety issue - less
time to get debris from there and there!
There is also a model with double outport.
I have one large w 2 ports when using home and
carry small one w 1 port in the ac when flying
far.
Yes - It is very unpractical to use it when
filling XS. Use it when filling your canister. In
that way you can filter it 2nd time if necessary.
When filling direct to your ac its too late and
one time operation.
Good luck,
Raimo
-----Alkuperinen viesti-----
From: Christoph Both
Sent: Monday, September 02, 2013 3:39 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fuel funnel for Mogas
<christoph.both@acadiau.ca>
Hello,
I wonder what kind of practical size for a FUEL
FILETR FUNNEL have proven
to be most suitable for the Europa? From your
comments it appears more
practical to rather pre-filter mogas at the
filling station into the clean
fuel containers rather than sticking a filter into
the fuel fill opening
on the EUROPA SX style on the side.
More specifically, Aircraft Spruce has 3 models,
small, middle and large
with 2.5,3.5 and 5 rpm throughput, but significant
size differences. Which
one would you recommend? I am filling up my AC
first time this week
Christoph Both
#223 Wolfville, Nova Scotia,Canada
On 13-09-01 8:21 AM, "Carl Pattinson"
<carl@flyers.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>Pattinson"
><carl@flyers.freeserve.co.uk>
>
>Hi All,
>
>I am surprised that anyone ever gets blocked
>filters after the initial
>shakedown. I know it is difficult to clean out
>tanks after build but it's
>definitely worth pumping a few gallons of fuel
>through the system before
>assuming everything is clean.
>
>If you have dirty fuel in your tanks this is an
>issue that should be
>addressed first rather instead of relying on the
>fuel filters to do their
>job. I accept that some of us have less control
>over what we put in our
>tanks than others (ie: if you are purchasing fuel
>at the airfield pumps).
>
>In the early days I recall that clogged filters
>were an issue for some
>builders. The filters were becoming overwhelmed
>by large amounts of crud
>which should never have been there in the first
>place - I do not believe
>that changing the size of the filter mesh would
>address this particular
>issue.
>
>Personally I never liked the factory system and
>opted for a gascolator
>setup
>instead - nothing fancy like an Andair, just the
>cheap kit builders one
>available from LAS or Aircraft Spruce (I priced
>one at the LAA yesterday
>and
>they are selling for 60) . The beauty of the
>setup is that any large
>lumps
>of crud (or water) tend to settle in the bottom
>of the gascolator bowl and
>will be drained off when you do your do your
>daily fuel checks - very
>little
>muck reaches the filter mesh at the top of the
>bowl (this is a 120 micron
>screen).
>
>We are fortunate in that all our fuel is from
>cans which we insist on
>filtering through a fine mesh funnel and we have
>never found any signs of
>a
>clogged filter. It is worth noting that metal
>fuel cans generate their own
>debris as the internal paint on the cans tends to
>flake off and if not
>filtered would cause problems if not pre
>filtered.
>
>For those who have to rely on airfield based
>supplies if it should be
>possible to carry a filter sock (wire or nylon
>mesh) which could be
>dropped
>down the fuel filler opening to ensure the
>cleanliness of any external
>sources of fuel. This could even be a permanent
>installation.
>
>Additionally as a backup, a fuel pressure gauge
>which would give a visual
>warning of low pressure due to a filter
>blockage.
>
>Carl Pattinson
>G-LABS
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]
>On Behalf Of Pete Lawless
>Sent: 01 September 2013 11:08
>To: europa-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Europa-List: Fuel filters
>
><pete@lawless.info>
>
>Hi John
>
>I have the original glass filters and am very
>happy with them. In the
>first
>few hours of a new Europa they do get blocked and
>mine needed cleaning
>every
>5 hours or so for the first 25 hours and on one
>occasion at about 10 hours
>caused fuel starvation on the climb out. Then
>less frequently cleaning
>until the tank settled down at about 100 hours.
>At 550 hours the filter
>now
>need a clean about every 50 hours.
>
>My filters are installed under the seats
>protected by a Perspex cover, as
>per the original Classic layout. I inspect them
>BEFORE EVERY FLIGHT. The
>beauty of the glass container is that you can see
>what is going on, all
>that
>is needed is to pull up the seat cushion and
>look. Cleaning is very easy
>you just change the filter screen for a new one
>and wipe the inside of the
>glass.
>
>I would be very reluctant to install a filter
>unit I could not inspect
>without taking it to bits.
>
>Pete
>Classic #109 Rotax 912UL
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]
>On Behalf Of John Wighton
>Sent: 01 September 2013 09:23
>To: europa-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Europa-List: Re: Daily Mail report of
>father and daughter
>fatality
>
><john@wighton.net>
>
>The photos taken in 2002 of the crashed aircraft
>are shocking and
>hopefully
>not an indicator of the condition she was in at
>the time of the accident.
>But l have to say that if the level of neglect
>extended to the systems,
>especially the fuel system, the cause of the
>incident may easily have
>been a
>blocked filter. According to a close friend of
>David, whom l spoke to
>yesterday at the Rally, the accident occurred at
>full power in the climb
>out after refuelling. If so the classic case of
>power starvation due to a
>blocked filer is a possible cause. I note that
>the photos show the inline
>filter used is the standard glass tube variety.
>Blockage of this type of
>inline filter has caused many incidents and at
>least one written off
>Europa.
>
>Analysing this filter shows it uses a 22 micron
>sized mesh. This is way
>smaller than the 100 micron (largest) stipulated
>by Rotax. I had a
>stoppage
>due to a blocked primary filter (same type) a few
>years ago, this led to a
>hasty decent into Elstree using the reserve feed
>(thanks for the fire
>cover
>guys). The filter was partially blocked with
>translucent material. It
>ran
>on the ground but would not feed fuel to the
>goverened 5000 rpm of my
>AP332
>controller.
>
>Having thereafter spent a year in a constant
>state of fuel feed anxiety l
>changed them for Andair filters which have a 60
>micron filter size. To
>date
>these have proven extremely reliable (100%).
>
>In 2012 l contacted Andy at Andair to ask if a
>version for 1/4in bore fuel
>lines could be made. He said it was quite easy,
>just a CNC program
>change,
>the filters would then have a push-on nipple type
>end and not require
>screw
>fit unions (as in my installation). Some
>discussion occurred with Andy
>Draper about the mod.
>
>Yesterday l checked with Andair, he had not got
>around to adapting the CNC
>code and hence nothing had occurred at LAA
>Engineering.
>
>If it turns out that the cause of the stoppage on
>GBXS was filter related
>(this is speculative but informed on my part) we
>should support some
>action
>which will lead to changes in the use of these
>standard glass tube
>filters.
>A possibility for Europas could be a new filter,
>perhaps the Andair
>version.
>
>
>I shall write to the LAA with my concerns over
>the continued use of the
>glass tube, 22. Micron filters. If any Europa
>flyer, or other aircraft
>operator with the same filter type, can supply
>information regarding the
>use
>of these filters it may assist in deciding which
>way to go. Information
>such as frequency of inspection, frequency of
>cleaning, stoppage or
>partial
>blockage info, leaks, other issues will br
>gratefully received and treated
>in confidence. Likewise any info showing
>satisfactory in service history
>is
>also welcome. Please post info or email direct to
>me.
>John(dot)wighton@ultraflight.net
>
>John Wighton
>Chief of Stress
>Pilatus Aircraft
>
>--------
>John Wighton
>Europa XS trigear G-IPOD
>
>
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>
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