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Subject: RE: Europa-List: Throttle Stops
From: Duncan & Ami <amimcfadyean@talktalk.net>
Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2013 10:47:29
I should add that it also makes a big difference to the smoothness of 
engine
shutdown; switch off one mag, pull back on throttle lever just as rpm 
dips
then switch off the other mag. The engine slows to a graceful stop.

DMcF.

-----Original Message-----
From: Duncan & Ami [mailto:ami-mcfadyean@talktalk.net] 
Sent: 02 June 2013 10:30
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Throttle Stops


Dave,
You're missing the elasticity of the throttle stops on the carbs (just 
bent
bits of mild steel), which are sufficiently springy to drop idle rpm by 
a
couple of hundred.

DMcF.

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Watts
Sent: 01 June 2013 09:21
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Throttle Stops


Duncan,

You've got me there. Surely if you have already pulled the throttle back 
to
the stop on the carb., pulling the lever any more will not make any
difference at all. Unless I am missing something.

Dave Watts
G-BXDY Classic Monowheel (Still just short of 2000hrs. But at least we 
are
now flying again from our previously waterlogged airfield, so another 
week
should see us over the magic number, and loving every minute of it)

On 1 Jun 2013, at 08:52, "Duncan & Ami" <ami-mcfadyean@talktalk.net> 
wrote:


Whilst complying with the LAA requirement for a throttle stop, it's 
useful
to set up the cables so that the carb stops are reached first, followed
closely by the stop on the throttle lever itself if the lever is
deliberately pulled closed against the throttle lever stop. This limits 
any
excess strain that can be applied to the cables, but provides a useful
facility to temporarily pull down the idle speed in flight (which in any
case will still always be well above the static setting, as the forward
motion drives the prop). As soon as the deliberate backpressure on the 
lever
is released, 'normal service' is resumed
This facility makes a usefully large addition to rate of descent and is
helpful for landing in to short strips; it's like having an airbrake!

Duncan McF.

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Carl 
Pattinson
Sent: 30 May 2013 09:23
Subject: Europa-List: Throttle Stops


I seem to recall in the early days of Europa that the PFA dictated that 
we
should install a physical throttle stop on the throttle lever (in the
cockpit). 


I have never really understood the purpose of this as the carburettors 
have
their own stops as IMHO one seems to fight against the other. As soon as 
you
increase the idle RPM using the adjuster screws on the carb, the 
throttle
lever is pulled forward by the cables, moving the lever away from the
cockpit stop.


We have flown quite happily with the carb stop limiting the slow running
with  a gap of about 2 mm between the rear of the throttle lever and the
stop block (tufnol). However,  we have just overhauled the carbs and are
resetting the balances etc so were wondering if this omission needs to 
be
addressed - it would just be a matter of elongating the holes in the
throttle stop.


Reading through various articles on Rotax/ Bing carburettor balancing I 
note
that these also stress the need for a cockpit end stop but give no
explanation as to why.


I'm sure there is a good reason, just need someone to cast some light on
this.


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