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Subject: Re: Europa-List: Carb, fuel and oil tube heat shielding
From: GRAHAM SINGLETON <grahamsingleton@btinternet.com>
Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 11:06:18
Morning Nigel. You are mostly right, but the first ones were stainless. The
n one =0Acracked on a factory aircraft (after take off at Sywell I remember
). Shortly =0Aafter that the =0A=0Afirst exhaust manufacturer changed to mi
ld steel without telling anyone.  Next =0Aproblem was because of the very h
igh EGT the mild steel burned through and =0Aanother rash of failures devel
oped.Eventually their insurers got expensive and =0Anervous about anything 
to do with aircraft. They stopped supplying exhausts and =0Aa new manufactu
rer had to be found in a hurry. Not easy!=0Aimho the problem with the early
 stainless ones was that the stainless steel was =0Atoo thick, excess weigh
t, vibration loads and result, cracks. Some of we early =0Abuilders support
ed the heavy aft end of the box and had no problems.=0ATitanium would certa
inly fix it but the price might make one's eyes water.=0AGraham=0A=0A=0A=0A
=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Nigel Graham <nigel_graham@m-te
cque.co.uk>=0ATo: europa-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Wednesday, 11 May, 2011
 9:18:59=0ASubject: Re: Europa-List: Carb, fuel and oil tube heat shielding
=0A=0ABack in the mid '90s, early adopters experimented with heat wrap and 
    claimed =0Areduced noise and marginal performance improvements     (sub
jective). This was =0Afollowed by a rash of exhaust pipe fractures     that
 were attributed to the =0Aheat wrap and everybody dropped it like     a, w
ell, hot exhaust. =0A=0AIt was subsequently discovered that the first batch
 of (classic)     exhausts =0Ahad been made out of mild steel and not the s
tainless steel     specified, so it =0Ais possible that this could have bee
n a     contributing factor.=0A=0AI have a motorcycle fitted with a titaniu
m exhaust.  It is so thin     that at =0Anight I can see the road ahead by 
the cosy red glow. This     system is =0Aincredibly light and ridiculously 
resilient and I wonder     if it would be a =0Asuitable material for a besp
oke Europa system -     combined with heat wrap?=0A=0ANigel=0A=0AOn 11/05/2
011 08:42, Brian Davies wrote: =0A =0A>I             have been following th
is thread and waiting to see if             =0A>exhaust wrapping will be me
ntioned as a solution to high             under-cowl =0A>temperatures.  The
 wrapping of exhaust systems             has always been =0A>frowned upon i
n the certified world,             supposedly because it causes =0A>crackin
g and corrosion of the             system.  Modern exhaust wrap is highly 
=0A>effective and I am             not aware of any negative effects.  It i
s also =0A>approved by             the LAA on a number of Rotax installatio
ns.=0A> =0A>My             experience with it is on a closely cowled racing
 engine             =0A>where the heat reduction is quite dramatic.=0A> =0A
>Any             comments?=0A> =0A>Regards=0A> =0A>Brian             Davies
=0A> =0A>From:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com =0A>[mailto:owner-euro
pa-list-server@matronics.com] On                   Behalf Of =0A>Sidsel & S
vein Johnsen=0A>Sent: 10 May 2011 21:39=0A>To: europa-list@matronics.com=0A
>Subject: Europa-List: Carb, fuel and oil tube                 heat shieldi
ng=0A> =0A>Ref. recent discussion             regarding risk of fuel vapor 
lock and how to =0A>shield the fuel             system from engine heat.=0A
> =0A>Attached is photo and             sketch of the carb heat shields I m
ade out of =0A>s/s steel             plate.  Fixed to the exhaust pipes by 
s/s hose clamps.  =0A>The clamps expand and             contract in approxi
mate sync with the exhaust =0A>pipes, so no             cracking discovered
 and no re-tightening required.  As =0A>will             be seen, the carbs
 have heating blocks installed, which (as             =0A>stated by Graham)
 makes the factory heat shields difficult to use.=0A> =0A>All fuel hoses fo
rward of firewall are             protected by both fire sleeve =0A>and hea
t sleeve (claimed to             reflect approx. 90% of radiated heat) 
=93 =0A>see photo.  Both             purchased from racing car supply sh
op in the UK =0A>(don=99t             recall name, and I am          
   away from my file).  I also =0A>use the heat sleeve on oil lines        
     running very close to the engine.=0A> =0A>/////=0A> =0A>Regarding the 
fuel             return restrictor:  I use the restrictor supplied =0A>by t
he             factory in 2001.  Do not know the hole diameter, but it is  
           =0A>less than 0.5 mm.  The opening is indeed surprisingly small,
             but =0A>bear in mind that gasoline has very low viscosity     
        compared to e.g. =0A>water.  =0A>=0A> =0A>(I             sent an ea
rlier message today with same heading, but it             =0A>appears it di
d not go through.  If it does pop up, pls             disregard it)=0A> =0A
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