I'd call it dry whit Bud! I sense a growing frustration though, the obscen
e gap =0Abetween the the top 1 % who ruined our economies and the middle 80
% who create =0Athe wealth they waste. The another spark from the fire alre
ady burning in the =0AArab world!=0ABetter stop, I can get boring !:-)=0AGr
aham=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Bud Yerly <budy
erly@msn.com>=0ATo: europa-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Monday, 18 April, 201
1 16:29:46=0ASubject: Re: Europa-List: Re: JABIRU etc. Keep your ear to th
e ground.=0A=0A=EF=BB =0ANow Graham,=0AYou know it costs a lot to live
in Washington and London. Those suits don't =0Acome cheap.=0AWe must all
sacrifice for the greater good of the leaders. Just look at all =0Athe go
od things they do. =0A=0AWhy there's...UH ...and UH, well there is somethi
ng good they do, otherwise we =0Awouldn't put up with them.=0A =0AJust a b
it of sarcasm.=0A =0ARegards,=0ABud=0A----- Original Message ----- =0A>From
: GRAHAM SINGLETON =0A>To: europa-list@matronics.com =0A>Sent: Sunday, Apri
l 17, 2011 3:14 PM=0A>Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: JABIRU etc. Keep yo
ur ear to the ground.=0A>=0A>=0A>Enjoy yourself Bud, at our age pleasure
comes before duty! At mine it does =0A>anyway!=0A>Good luck to your son
, he will need a lot of wisdom and survival skills to =0A>pay off Ben Be
rnanke debts, unfortunately.=0A>My son is busy paying off the British ba
nkers debts. And their bonuses =0A>dammitt!=0A>Graham=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>
=0A>=0A________________________________=0A From: Bud Yerly <budyerly@msn.co
m>=0A>To: europa-list@matronics.com=0A>Sent: Sunday, 17 April, 2011 19:3
9:02=0A>Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: JABIRU etc. Keep your ear to the g
round.=0A>=0A>=EF=BB =0A>Please don't overanalyze the Jab vs Rotax deci
sion.=0A>Kevin is right, it is apples and oranges.=0A> =0A>Those of us near
sea level, you are fine with a normally aspirated engine.=0A>For those
flying out of 5000 foot MSL airstrips and climbing in and out of =0A>mou
ntains, you can't beat a turbo.=0A>If you want super long range (ouch my bl
adder hurts) you need to look at =0A>specific fuel consumption or cruise
fuel flows. =0A>=0A>My Europa trigear holds 20 US gallons useable (yea th
e new tank holds a bit =0A>more) and at 4.5 gallons an hour, it exceeds
my bladder capacity.=0A>Geared vs direct drive is a mute point. They bo
th work. Geared turns the =0A>prop a bit slower, direct is a shorter pr
op. This is not a factor for the =0A>Europa's prop limit of 64 inches.
The Jab runs on AV gas, and Aviation =0A>consumables and has a higher s
pecific fuel consumption. The Rotax can run on =0A>car gas without prob
lems and is very economical at cruise, and performs well =0A>at higher a
ltitude... (It also gives neat airshow departures.) Cooling is =0A>not
an issue in my bird at all during climb or takeoff. But there are thos
e =0A>pesky hoses and the coolant radiator to fool with in 5 years when
I better =0A>change them.=0A> =0A>I have found my early early 914 is not th
e engine of the new 914s. The new =0A>Jabiru 3300 is not the same engin
e as the original solid lifter engines. Kit =0A>manufacturers who saddl
ed themselves with only one engine choice have come up =0A>with carburet
or, cowl and cooling changes which have made their engines more =0A>user
friendly for their aircraft. There are some idiots flying with Celsius
=0A>info in the EFIS and telling the prospective buyer the engine is ru
nning =0A>super cool. Thankfully, no one I know is doing that on purpos
e. Rest =0A>assured, any changes from the primary engine recommended by
the aircraft =0A>manufacturer will need some tinkering.=0A> =0A>Truth b
e known, I don't have time to tinker on my own plane anymore, so I =0A>n
eed a lazy mans fire wall forward for the trigear.=0A>That is why I have a
Rotax and an Airmaster Prop. To me it is just easier to =0A>maintain an
d work on this combination. It is as close to FADEC as I can get =0A>wi
th my wallet. Climb and dive, winter or summer, just smack the throttle
=0A>around and it takes it. No oil leaks, shock cooling, taxi cooling,
or noisy =0A>prop noise requiring ANR headsets to limit my flying. Alt
hough those pesky =0A>leaky tires required me to make new wheel pants fo
r easy filling since it =0A>sits a lot...=0A> =0A>We are tinkering with the
setup right now of the older model Jab and Rotax in =0A>the shop. Tuni
ng is an issue. When the storm damage is fixed, we'll fly =0A>more and
report back. Same with the Airmaster two blade vs three. The =0A>setba
cks we've had have slowed us down and removed labor and financial =0A>as
sets, but we will press on.=0A> =0A>Note: Keep your ear to the ground as t
he recent storm damage across the US =0A>has left many aircraft owners w
ith totaled aircraft, but they still have =0A>engines, and sales may be
on the horizon.=0A> =0A>We have a new US owner. They are Mike and Erin DeP
eugh of Pekin Il. Ken =0A>Gresham flew him in his Europa and he was hook
ed. I'll send some pictures as =0A>soon as his plane and he arrives at
the shop in May.=0A> =0A>Have a great week. I am off to my son's graduatio
n and will have my first 4 =0A>day in a row break since 2006. Ed and Ch
ris will run the shop as I may not =0A>want to come back to work.=0A>
=0A>Regards,=0A>Bud=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A>----- Original Message ----- =0A
>>From: ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk =0A>>To: europa-list@matronics.com =0A>>Sent
: Sunday, April 17, 2011 12:04 PM=0A>>Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: JA
BIRU 3300 BRAND NEW OVER TEMPERATURE DURING =0A>>TAXI=0A>>=0A>>--> Eur
opa-List message posted by: "ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk" =0A>><ptag.dev@tiscali
.co.uk>=0A>>=0A>>Not any more =C2=B4Bud I was lucky to be able to chan
ge it for a Rotax =0A>914!=0A>>Regards=0A>>Bob Harrison GPTAG=0A>>=0A>
>>----Original Message----=0A>>>From: budyerly@msn.com=0A>>>Date:
15/04/2011 22:48 =0A>>>To: <europa-list@matronics.com>=0A>>>Subj: Re:
Europa-List: Re: JABIRU 3300 BRAND NEW OVER TEMPERATURE =0A>>DURING TAXI
=0A>>=0A>>>=0A>>=0A>>>I had thought I was the only one with sleepless
nights.=0A>>=0A>>>Bud=0A>>=0A>>> ----- Original Message ----- =0A>>
=0A>>> From: ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk<mailto:ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk> =0A>>
=0A>>> To: europa-list@matronics.com<mailto:europa-list@matronics.com> =0A
>>=0A>>> Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 11:51 AM=0A>>=0A>>> Subject: R
e: Europa-List: Re: JABIRU 3300 BRAND NEW OVER TEMPERATURE =0A>>DURING TAXI
=0A>>=0A>>>=0A>>=0A>>>=0A>>=0A>>> --> Europa-List message posted by:
"ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk<mailto:=0A>>ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk>" <ptag.dev
@tiscali.co.uk<mailto:ptag.=0A>>dev@tiscali.co.uk>>=0A>>=0A>>>=0A>>=0A>>>
Hi! Frans, Graham /all=0A>>=0A>>> With comments about the Jabiru you
are subjecting me to a =0A>>nightmare =0A>>=0A>>> !!!!!!!!!!!! don't
tempt me !=0A>>=0A>>> Regards=0A>>=0A>>> Bob Harrison G_PTAG=0A
>>=0A>>>=0A>>=0A>>> >----Original Message----=0A>>=0A>>> >From: grah
amsingleton@btinternet.com<mailto:=0A>>grahamsingleton@btinternet.com>=0A>>
=0A>>> >Date: 15/04/2011 11:46 =0A>>=0A>>> >To: <europa-list@matroni
cs.com<mailto:europa-list@matronics.com>>=0A>>=0A>>> >Subj: Re: Europ
a-List: Re: JABIRU 3300 BRAND =0A>>=0A>>> NEW OVER TEMPERATURE DURING
TAXI=0A>>=0A>>>=0A>>=0A>>> >=0A>>=0A>>>=0A>>=0A>>> >Frans=0A>>=0A>
>>=0A>>=0A>>> >I think you are right, much more logical conclusions t
han mine =0A>!:-=0A>>)=0A>>=0A>>>=0A>>=0A>>> >Agree about the Jabiru
also, sad but geared and liquid cooled =0A>>will =0A>>=0A>>> always h
ave a =0A>>=0A>>>=0A>>=0A>>> >performance advantage. More complication
too of course but a more =0A>>=0A>>> sensible =0A>>=0A>>>=0A>>=0A>>> >c
ompromise I think.=0A>>=0A>>>=0A>>=0A>>> >regards=0A>>=0A>>>=0A>
>=0A>>> >Graham=0A>>=0A>>>=0A>>=0A>>> >=0A>>=0A>>>=0A>>=0A>>>
>=0A>>=0A>>>=0A>>=0A>>> >=0A>>=0A>>>=0A>>=0A>>> >=0A>>=0A>>>=0A>>=0A
>>> >________________________________=0A>>=0A>>>=0A>>=0A>>> >From:
Frans Veldman <frans@privatepilots.nl<mailto:=0A>>frans@privatepilots.n
l>>=0A>>=0A>>>=0A>>=0A>>> >To: europa-list@matronics.com<mailto:europ
a-list@matronics.com>=0A>>=0A>>>=0A>>=0A>>> >Sent: Friday, 15 April,
2011 11:17:12=0A>>=0A>>>=0A>>=0A>>> >Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: JA
BIRU 3300 BRAND NEW OVER =0A>>TEMPERATURE =0A>>=0A>>> DURING =0A>>=0A>>>
=0A>>=0A>>> >TAXI=0A>>=0A>>>=0A>>=0A>>> >=0A>>=0A>>>=0A>>=0A>>>
ts<mailto:frans@privatepilots>.=0A>>=0A>>> nl>=0A>>=0A>>>=0A>>=0A>>>
>=0A>>=0A>>>=0A>>=0A>>> >On 04/15/2011 10:17 AM, GRAHAM SINGLETON
wrote:=0A>>=0A>>>=0A>>=0A>>> >=0A>>=0A>>>=0A>>=0A>>> >> To a cert
ain extent the same thing happens with Rotax so the =0A>>front=0A>>=0A>>>
=0A>>=0A>>> >> cylinders get more fuel than the rear at some throttle
=0A>>settings, =0A>>=0A>>> drops=0A>>=0A>>>=0A>>=0A>>> >> of fuel d
on't turn corners the same as air molecules!=0A>>=0A>>>=0A>>=0A>>>
>=0A>>=0A>>>=0A>>=0A>>> >I believe the "problem" with the Rotax is
of a different nature. =0A>>=0A>>> There=0A>>=0A>>>=0A>>=0A>>> >are
two carbs, and the inlet pulses are not equally distributed. =0A>>Eac
h=0A>>=0A>>>=0A>>=0A>>> >carb will see two inlet pulses in sequence,
then followed by a =0A>>long=0A>>=0A>>>=0A>>=0A>>> >pause when the cylinde
rs on the other side (fed by the other =0A>>carb) =0A>>=0A>>> ha
ve=0A>>=0A>>>=0A>>=0A>>> >their respective inlet pulses.=0A>>=0A>>>
=0A>>=0A>>> >After the pause, the flow of fuel inside the nozzles is
stalled. =0A>>With=0A>>=0A>>>=0A>>=0A>>> >the first cylinder breathin
g, the fuel has to start moving again, =0A>>and=0A>>=0A>>>=0A>>=0A>>> >the
second cylinder has the benefit that the fuel is already up to=0A>>
=0A>>>=0A>>=0A>>> >speed. So the second cylinder in the sequence rece
ives a slightly =0A>>=0A>>> richer=0A>>=0A>>>=0A>>=0A>>> >mixture.
=0A>>=0A>>>=0A>>=0A>>> >A solution can be to use a bigger bore balanc
e tube. Some Italian=0A>>=0A>>>=0A>>=0A>>> >company is selling a pair
of manifolds and balance tube for this=0A>>=0A>>>=0A>>=0A>>> >purpos
e, and the manifolds have already the bosses in them to =0A>>mount =0A
>>=0A>>> fuel=0A>>=0A>>>=0A>>=0A>>> >injectors for future upgrades (
and using the carbs as fuelless =0A>>=0A>>> throttle=0A>>=0A>>>
=0A>>=0A>>> >bodies and backup in case the EFI fails).=0A>>=0A>>>=0A>
>=0A>>> >=0A>>=0A>>>=0A>>=0A>>> >Ok,the subject was "Jabiru". To kee
p it in the subject: After the =0A>>=0A>>> long=0A>>=0A>>>=0A>>=0A>>> >li
st of problems and disadvantages, can anybody enlighten me what =0A>>t
he=0A>>=0A>>>=0A>>=0A>>> >benefit is of the Jab over the Rotax? (I as
sume there must be =0A>>one, =0A>>=0A>>> why=0A>>=0A>>>=0A>>=0A>>> >
else would anyone bother to install one?)=0A>>=0A>>>=0A>>=0A>>> >=0A>
>=0A>>>=0A>>=0A>>> >Frans==============
=====0A>>=0A>>>=0A>>=0A>>>=0A>>=0A>>>=0A>>=0A>>>=0A>>=0A>>> =0A>>>
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-Listhttp://www.matronics.com/Navi
gator?Europa-List>=0A>>>=0A>>=0A>>> =0A>http://www.matronics.com/contrib
utionhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution>=0A>>=0A>>> Features Chat,
http://www.matronnbsp; via the Web =0A>>>title=http://forums.mat
ronics.com/ =0A>>>href="http://forums.matronics.com";>http://forums.m
atronics.com=0A>>_p; generous bsp;
=0A>>title=http://www.matronics.com/contribution =0A>>href="http://ww
w.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c======
============0A>>=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>=0A>http:/rel="
nofollow" target="_blank" =0A>href="http://forums.matronics.com";>htt=
======================= =0A>:
//www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution=0A>
=0A>href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List";>http://www.ma
tronhref="http://forums.matronics.com";>http://forums.matronics.com=0A> hr
ef="http://www.matronics.com/contribution";>http://www.matronics.com/c =0A
============== =0A
|