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Re: Europa-List: Fuel system - More Questions!

Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fuel system - More Questions!
From: ofamerica.com YERLY <budyerly@msn.com>
Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2009 09:43:13
Rich,
Call on the cell as I'm all over the place this week.
My runup on Saturday was on Baker's 914

The FP was 4 psi solid until boost started to kick in.

4 PSI until passing 30 inches.
Max continuous 100% throttle at 35 inches mp, airbox at about 2.5 psi 
boost fuel pressure  5.9 to 6.2
Full 115% throttle at 40 inched mp, airbox at about 4.8 psi boost, fuel 
pressure 9.8-10. 

At full it should have only gone to about 9 for the atmospheric 
pressure, but I read 10, and that's in limits.

Setup was a boost gauge on the airbox, direct reading gauge on the fuel 
pressure nipple with the restrictor pressed into the end of the brass 
banjo.  Sure wish I had it mounted better, what a vibrating nightmare 
until I wire tied the mess together.

Look at the maintenance manual and you can see by all accounts you are 
reading just a little high.
Pay attention to the chart on page 9.5.2 of the maintenance manual, and 
do the conversions for the airbox pressure, and fuel pressure.  

I'll be on the cell as I have UCF students doing their project and test 
flying this evening weather permitting.

Bud
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  Bud,

   

  The reading was taken off the double banjo that feeds the passenger 
side carb. This as done when the engine seemed to be running correctly.

   

  Being at sea level and with about a 29.8pressure day I figured these 
did not sound too bad. I do have the original differential pressure 
sender. I will fire it up at work on Monday and see if it is reading 
correctly before installing it or ordering a new one. Aircraft spruce is 
very proud of that little sender now days.

   


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  Rich,

  I'll run mine or Bakers tomorrow, weather permitting, and see what my 
fuel pressure does.  If memory serves, I start at 4 psi at idle and at 
full throttle still see about 4 in line, and about 10.0 off the 
regulator (my sender reads a little low).  My gut feel is that regulated 
fuel pressure is going up with manifold pressure as it should, but if 
line pressure is going up to the regulator, that does not pass the 
common sense test.  On ground tests, the fuel pressure goes up as the 
resistance goes up.  

  Example:

  When I set up a fuel system, I disconnect the feed and pressure gauge 
---From the engine fuel regulator and pump fuel through the lines past a 
direct reading pressure gauge (Tee'd to the aircrafts sender) and 
through a valve to a gas can.  This allows me to filter the system, 
verify flow rates (by timing) and by closing off the valve, I can verify 
the fuel pressure, the fuel flow decreases and the pressure goes up well 
above 7 psi as I check flows and verify pressure readings.  Note:  These 
readings are done before the regulator.

   

  11.6 psi indicates a strong reduction in flow if reading prior to the 
regulator, however if you are reading from the regulator, the regulated 
pressure at full power  39.5 MP is about 5 psi boost, and 11.6 psi fuel 
pressure is a tad high.

   

  From Page 9.2.3 of the Rotax maintenance manual, Fuel pressure 
=Airbox pressure + 250hPa  At takeoff performance the fuel pressure is 
going to be about 700hPa or around . 7bar or about 10.15 psi

   

  I'll talk to you after testing.

   

  The shop took a lightning strike and power surge, so I have only one 
shop phone left and it blew my shop computer, even with the surge 
protectors.  Pretty spectacular really.  Snap crackle pop all in one.  I 
will be slow at answering emails for a few more days.

   

  Bud

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    Can anyone verify these "non" differential fuel pressure readings?

    MP = 14.3 Fuel = 4.6

    MP - 14 Fuel = 4.9

    MP = 20 Fuel = 4.9

    MP = 25 Fuel = 6.4

    MP = 30 Fuel = 9.1

    MP = 39.5 Fuel = 11.6

     

    Engine seems to be running fine with these but earlier in the 
process the engine was once again surging. Everyone that hears the 
surging thinks I have a fuel problem????

     

    Monitoring and testing continues...

     

    Rich Schultz

    N262AE


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