europa-list
[Top] [All Lists]

Re: Europa-List: Electric winch or hand crank?

Subject: Re: Europa-List: Electric winch or hand crank?
From: Bud Yerly <budyerly@msn.com>
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2011 14:54:50
&#65279;  Photo E-mail   View slideshow 
<https://skydrive.live.com/redir.aspx?cid=2161856909618aa7&page=play&;
resid=2161856909618AA7!139&type=5&authkey=*AFq6nx20aM%24>| 
Download images 
<https://skydrive.live.com/redir.aspx?cid=2161856909618aa7&page=downl
oadphotos&resid=2161856909618AA7!139&type=5&authkey=*AFq6nx20aM%24>

Just a thought on long range towing with the mono trailer.
My fabricator makes from 1/2 to 3/4 inch nylon a set of tapered spacers 
that drop in the carrier and hold the tire very snug to prevent side to 
side leaning.  The wheel bearings and wheel are very strong so I expect 
it to hold the aircraft.  A six ply sidewall on a 7 inch tire flexes 
very little.  Only a small amount of taper is required to get the tire 
wedged in.  Then the trailer ramp/arm is raised to hold the gear channel 
in position and if that is a bit loose, shims of phenolic were added to 
get a snug fit.  

Here at Custom Flight we use ratchet straps to pull the gear leg into 
the trailer ramp hard and will modify the two adjustment arms if they do 
not bring the ramp up snug.  Then we strap the wheel down hard to the 
trailer with crossed straps.

To prevent rocking back and forth if the tire loses pressure, we use 
bolts and a fake spar through the fuselage to hold the fuselage from 
leaning too far.  Yes the wing will get in the way, so we run a strong 
strap from the trailers metal brace horizontally and hook down into 
those hooks.  Miserable, tight and dirty to get between the fuselage and 
wing but doable.  I have also seen folks use a strap over the fuselage, 
but I am not keen on that as the gear bounces so if you pull down tight, 
pad it well and check often.
Photo's attached of an aircraft that did not have the main wheel 
strapped:

<https://skydrive.live.com/redir.aspx?cid=2161856909618aa7&page=play&;
resid=2161856909618AA7!140&parid=2161856909618AA7!139&type=1&authke
y=*AFq6nx20aM%24> 
      Operator only strapped swing arm to trailer and aircraft bounced 
out. 


Remember the gear takes the load, any fuselage strapping puts force on 
the fuselage or other attachments.  So as soon as the fuselage begins to 
lean, stop and readdress.  I pulled a mono kit with no engine from Utah 
without any difficulty except trailer tires and the foam wing cradles.  
If your trailer still has the foam inserts in the wing rack, replace 
them with strapping or fiberglass and pad them as they are notoriously 
bad about breaking down over time.  

As for pulling the mono backwards, we have a tow bar set up similar to 
Raimo's.  

For mono trailer loading and unloading, we just pick up the tail and 
move the plane.  Lift the tail over the main wheel cradle and get it in 
the track and added a rope winch to the trailer to pull it aft.  Easy to 
do with a young strong assistant.  Be sure to strap the tailwheel down. 

I have a 22 foot flat bed for my trigear and an electric winch that 
hooks to either the tow bar or around my nose gear pivot shaft housing.  
One guy can load the fuselage.  Wings are still hoisted.  Flip up wheel 
pants allow for a quick strapping using a cable over the brake disk and 
three ratchet straps (one for each cable and one for the nose gear leg,  
holds the plane marvelously secure.

Regards,
Bud


----- Original Message ----- 
  From: GRAHAM SINGLETON<mailto:grahamsingleton@btinternet.com> 
  To: europa-list@matronics.com<mailto:europa-list@matronics.com> 
  Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 1:38 PM
  Subject: Re: Europa-List: Electric winch or hand crank?


  Hans
  is right. The sring in the main gear allows the fuselage to bounce 
around on the road so it really needs to be tied down at the front. I 
used a long luggage strap over the fuselage just in front of the 
windscreen which worked well and prevented the rocking that Hans noted.
  Graham


-------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----
  From: Hans J. Danielsen <hansjd@online.no>
  To: europa-list@matronics.com
  Sent: Wednesday, 31 August, 2011 16:20:37
  Subject: Re: Europa-List: Electric winch or hand crank?

<hansjd@online.no<mailto:hansjd@online.no>>

  Martin:

  The few times I've pulled it onto the trailer I have had good 
assistance from bystanders. You could make a couple of ramps to sturdy 
the outriggers/wings during this prosess. To measure the hight lift the 
tailwheel onto the rail, wings level, measure the distance between 
outrigger wheel and ground, add the small hight up to the mainweel 
platform and you have the ramp hight. These ramps are also  great when 
removing the first wing as it sturdies the rest of the assembly without 
too much rocking sideways. (But you do need help to pull the wings and 
place them on the trailer anyway!)

  Remember, the main landing gear frame is locked to sturdy the fuselage 
when the ramp is pulled up and enclosing the wheel, but for transport 
I've always used ropes to tie the fuselage sideways to the trailer 
structure. Otherwise, the main landing gear frame will be subjected to a 
lot of strain from sideways rocking of the fuselage.

  Hope this helps.

  Hans


  .----- Original Message ----- From: "Martin Tuck" 
<MJKTuck@cs.com<mailto:MJKTuck@cs.com>>
  To: <europa-list@matronics.com<mailto:europa-list@matronics.com>>
  Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 3:53 AM
  Subject: Re: Europa-List: Electric winch or hand crank?


<MJKTuck@cs.com<mailto:MJKTuck@cs.com>>
  > 
  > Hi Hans,
  > 
  > I couple of other e-mails also indicate that it is safe to pull on 
the tail-wheel axle so I think that is how I will go. You mentioned you 
have a hand crank - which has you at the 'working end'. How do you 
stabilize the wings if no-one is there to help?
  > 
  > Martin
  > 
  > On 8/30/2011 2:38 PM, Hans J. Danielsen wrote:
<hansjd@online.no<mailto:hansjd@online.no>>
  >> 
  >> Hi Martin.
  >> 
  >> A little late, but here goes: I use a hand crank to pull the 
airplane onto the trailer. The winch was pulled from an obsolete boat 
trailer and mounted just in front of the tailwheel rail - close to the 
attach-handle. Made a short piece of wire with an eye at both ends to 
fit around the protruding ends of the tailwheel axle. I hook the winch 
wire on to this small loop and simply crank the airplane home. Works a 
treat.
  >> 
  >> Cheers
  >> Hans
  >> 
  >> 
  >> 
  >> ---- Original Message ----- From: "Martin Tuck" 
<MJKTuck@cs.com<mailto:MJKTuck@cs.com>>
  >> To: "Europa Builders Forum" 
<europa-list@matronics.com<mailto:europa-list@matronics.com>>
  >> Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 2:10 AM
  >> Subject: Europa-List: Electric winch or hand crank?
  >> 
  >> 
<MJKTuck@cs.com<mailto:MJKTuck@cs.com>>
  >>> 
  >>> Hi Folks,
  >>> 
  >>> I think I asked this question before but I couldn't have kept the 
responses.
  >>> 
  >>> Someone recommended a electric powered winch to pull my monowheel 
onto its trailer. I've read some reviews on Amazon but there are 
diametrically opposed views on how good a job they do. The main 
complaint being how slow they are or not very well built.
  >>> 
  >>> Ideally I would want one with a remote but I can't seem to find 
one with a wireless remote, some have a wired remote but the cable seems 
too short as I want to hold onto the wingtip to keep it level while the 
winch does it's thing.
  >>> 
  >>> Alternatively I could keep it simple and use a hand crank - but 
the wings will need to be kept level. I have made some attachments which 
help some but once the tipping momentum gets going on side or the other 
my hinged spring legs give way. You guys that use a trailer all time 
must be using something. It takes me a good 30 mins to get everything up 
on the trailer and seemingly a lot of physical strength - not good when 
temps are in the 80s and 90s.
  >>> 
  >>> Also, when cranking what is the best thing to attach the cable to? 
Cable round the axle on the side opposite to the brake came to mind. Not 
sure I would want to pull on the tailwheel although that seems an 
obvious choice.
  >>> 
  >>> Any thoughts would be appreciated.
  >>> 
  >>> Not much flying this summer - we have had 45 days of 100+ F temps 
in Wichita so far this year. The record is 50 days. Today was 106 deg F. 
Phew!
  >>> 
  >>> Regards,
  >>> Martin Tuck
  >>> N152MT
  >>> Wichita, Kansas
  >>> 
  >>> 
  >>> 
  >>> 
  >>> 
  >> 
  >> 
  >> 
  >> 
  >> 
  > 
  > 
  > w.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List" 
target="_blank">http://www.matroni  --> 
http://ww======================


<http://www.matronics.com/contribution>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator
?Europa-List<http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List>
http://www.matronics.com/contribution<http://www.matronics.com/contributi
on>


These photos will be available on SkyDrive for 30 days. To learn more 
about SkyDrive, click here<http://g.msn.com/1cl91enus/PMFooter>.
To share high quality pictures with your friends and family using MSN 
Photo E-mail, join MSN<http://g.msn.com/0PHenus1/29>. 


<Prev in Thread] Current Thread [Next in Thread>