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Re: Europa-List: Re : IFR certification

Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re : IFR certification
From: Pete <peterz@zutrasoft.com>
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2020 21:48:55
Pretty valuable pennies! Thx!
Pete :)

> On Jun 16, 2020, at 8:26 PM, Paul McAllister <paul.the.aviator@gmail.com> w
rote:
> 
> =EF=BB
> Pete, for a while I did my practice currency this way. I could actually fl
y an approach at 90 knots and still get it slow enough to get the gear out a
nd land. The trouble with this was that you only needed the slightest distra
ction and you would be joining the ranks of =9Cthose who have=9D

> 
> The other challenge is that it was rare to break out in the clear, cloud b
ottoms would be straggly and when you are at minimums you have to quickly de
cide if the RVR is sufficient, you have enough of the environment in view an
d the the runway will provide enough breaking action.
> 
> To be honest I always found single pilot IFR really tough and during my br
ief stint of professional flying I thought I had died and gone to heaven wit
h 2 crew operations.
> 
> Just my 2 cents worth. Cheers, Paul
> 
>> On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 12:06 PM Pete <peterz@zutrasoft.com> wrote:
>> Great write-up Paul, thx!
>> 
>> Question, why not leave the gear up till minimums to keep the speed up?
>> 
>>>> On Jun 16, 2020, at 12:46 PM, Paul McAllister <paul.the.aviator@gmail.c
om> wrote:
>>>> 
>>> =EF=BB
>>> Hi John,
>>> 
>>> I hope you don't mind me offering a counter opinion. I didn't find my Eu
ropa a very good IFR platform.  It was okay but I always maintained high per
sonal minimum, 600' on the ILS and 800' for non precision approaches.  I liv
e in the mid west of the US and icing was always a concern. While one should
 never fly into know icing conditions I had inadvertently picked up ice  in o
ther aircraft I have flown and although concerning the aircraft performed we
ll enough to land it. Even then I new that all that had happened was "I got a
way with it"
>>> 
>>> I did catch a small skim of ice on the Europa once and the aircraft imme
diately lost 20 knots and I was worried that it would just quit flying there
 and then!  A flapless landing in a mono isn't possible and I was really (re
ally) nervous lowing the gear.  I know we can all say that we should avoid i
cing conditions but I encountered unforcasted ice many times.  Over the year
s I got smarter at figuring out potential or possible conditions but I could
 never get comfortable.  The other challenge is that its slow approach speed
 isn't an advantage for instrument approaches. You feel like you are hanging
 out on the ILS forever in wet moist clouds.
>>> 
>>> I haven't flown my aircraft for some time but in latter years all my IFR
 flying was in VFR conditions. It is nice to be able to fly away from somewh
ere crummy to somewhere nice, and I find the National Aerospace System (NAS)
 a delight to use.
>>> 
>>> Just my 2 cents worth, and as they say "Your mileage may vary"
>>> 
>>> Cheers, Paul
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Thu, Jun 11, 2020 at 10:24 AM John Wigney <johnwigney@windstream.net
> wrote:
>>>> Hi Jeff, 
>>>> 
>>>> There is a good link on this subject at https://www.eaa.org/eaa/aircraf
t-building/intro-to-aircraft-building/frequently-asked-questions/equipping-a
-homebuilt-for-ifr-operations
>>>> 
>>>> I am not an IFR pilot but I have done 40 plus hours of training in my m
onowheel. My instructor was very happy with the plane and called it "a good I
FR platform". I chose not to take the check ride as I decided not to fly sin
gle pilot IFR. A major reason for that is that I found the plane to be fairl
y neutral on heading and I was not happy to find myself 10 to 15 degrees off
 course if I groped around in the back for something. I have now fitted a he
ading autopilot driven by my Dynon D10A which works very well following the p
ink line on my Garmin 430 so that addresses that primary concern. I really h
ave no need for IFR and am happy to leave it that way.
>>>> 
>>>> Anyway, I am not aware of any certification requirement apart from an e
ntry in the logbook regarding compliance with  14 CFR Part 91, section 91.20
5.
>>>> 
>>>> Cheers, John
>>>> 
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>>>>   
>>>> From: Jeff B <topglock@cox.net> 
>>>> 
>>>> Subject: Europa-List: IFR certification Good morning all, I'm wondering
 if someone out there has any information on certifying the Europa for IFR f
light (in the USA). Is there a statement in the operating limitations that m
ight mention this? I've a person interested in my bird who is asking about i
t. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank You,
>>>> 
>>>> -- Jeff


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