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From: Bud Yerly <budyerly@msn.com>
Date: Tue, 13 May 2014 16:47:32
Graham,
I have the VG test flight and a proposed install manual that went 
nowhere at Europa on my website today.  
(www.customflightcreations.com<http://www.customflightcreations.com/> 
click on techniques articles.)  I had a manufacturer make the VGs with a 
curve on the bottom to fit the wing.  I also use a 3M glue that doesn't 
make a mess and you can reposition them or if you don't like them, pull 
them off with no paint damage.  Right now I am finishing Cooling 102 for 
the Jabiru installers and trying to finish a really screwed up airplane. 
 I hate redo's.  Enough complaining.  On to VGs.  

On your canards, I believe the VGs are a must for better pitch control 
and on swept wings keep the ailerons corraled. 

On the Europa, VGs do slow you down about 10 knots but since I don't run 
around at max continuous doing 146 Knots and burning tons of gas, that 
doesn't bother me that much.  I have had the VGs off for the last two 
years while I redo some propeller testing for Airmaster and frankly my 
wheel pants are too low for rough grass so I've stopped STOL / LSA 
testing.  The trigear really doesn't like bumpy rough grass strips so I 
need to get back to testing on grass so I can get a feel for if I need 
larger tires.

I only put the VGs on the upper surface of the wing.  I must admit that 
I thought about changing the stop imits of my stab and putting the VGs 
on it as well, but right now with the VGs on the wing only, my poor old 
classic has scrape marks on the rudder and spats from the asphalt and I 
still have stick left at 40 KIAS (CG at 60, +13 up -5 down on stab.)

What it does, is allow me to give someone with an unfinished kit the 
ability to lower his clean stall to 45KIAS, and with a 912ULS or Jabiru  
fitted with a fixed pitch prop set at a bit of a mid range, to meet the 
LSA stall and max continuous power cruise requirement of 120 (well maybe 
a knot or two more depending on pitch).

For those whose short or rough field woes give them worries, the VGs 
allow better low speed control, and a lower approach and touchdown 
speed.  The lower touchdown speed and keeping the nose wheel off the 
turf is critical and without VGs on the stab I can keep the nose up on 
12AY but on some really forward CG aircraft, VGs on the stab and a bit 
of up stab tuning may be necessary.  As tested, the aircraft is quite 
comfortable slow flighting very close to the stall with supurb aileron 
and pitch control, but the deck angle is a bit high on a dragged in 
approach.  With VGs I can fly a normal 3 degree flight path or steeper 
at 55 or so and see my touchdown point and cross the threshold at 45-50 
and have enough power and control to flare out to a 40 knot touchdown.  
Alas, the mono's deck angle is so low that you can't land as slow as a 
trigear, but it sure makes getting the tail wheel down first easier with 
better roll control should things go a bit askew.  

Read over my two attachments on the techniques articles on my site.  At 
$130 plus shipping it's a cheap experiment (with lots of extra VGs 
should you want more to put on the stab) and a lot cheaper than adding 
wing area or trying to build a new classic wing to get the weight down 
or change the camber for STOL performance.  

Regards,
Bud


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: GRAHAM SINGLETON<mailto:grahamsingleton@btinternet.com> 
  To: europa-list@matronics.com<mailto:europa-list@matronics.com> 
  Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 9:42 AM
  Subject: Europa-List: Re: Europa-List: RE: Europa-List: Re: 
Europa-List: Re: Europa crash in L=C3=BCbeck/Germany


  Bud
  excellent letter. I am most interested in your VG installation. Did 
you fit to botn wing and tail?
  I fitted them to my Long EZ and was delighted with the improvement in 
low speed handling.
  Graham


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  From: Bud Yerly <budyerly@msn.com<mailto:budyerly@msn.com>>
  To: europa-list 
<europa-list@matronics.com<mailto:europa-list@matronics.com>> 
  Sent: Monday, 12 May 2014, 5:28
  Subject: Europa-List: RE: Europa-List: Re: Europa-List: Re: Europa 
crash in L=C3=BCbeck/Germany


  Graham and others.
   
  Good comment on the leading edge curve.  My Classic wing has that 
slight cup sanded and filled off by my painter.  It has a bit of a sharp 
stall like a normal series 6 airfoil.
   
  On the accident comments:
  I hate to speculate, but the accident investigator training and 
extensive flight envelope expanding time I have acquired, leads me to 
use caution speculating at this time and to causes and early on 
assumptions on should have had equipment, etc.
   
  The initial test phase of the Europa (or any aircraft) needs to make 
sure it is made in baby steps.
  After building 18 aircraft 15 of which are Europas (yes I am starting 
our 16th Europa in the shop) and test flying many other owners aircraft, 
many things can cause a takeoff leg stall spin type accident.  
   
  My last call from a US accident inspector was a very long time ago.  
Here is what we discussed on a takeoff leg, attempted turn back and high 
angle impact deadly crash of an experienced pilot and seasoned aircraft.
   
  Off the top of my fuzzy balding head:
  On takeoff the Europa has a very good rate of climb and deck angle.  
In testing of 12AY (a Classic) with 914, the full flap takeoff has a 
deck angle of 10 degrees (and about a 12.5 degree angle of attack) at 55 
Knots.  When pulling the power back abruptly during test, at 55 knots, I 
found only 3 seconds with the nose up pushed me into the stall warning.
   
  Since the full flap approach angle power of the my old Classic is 
about 8 degrees glide slope or so, one can see that it requires a 13 
degree push over to try to preserve airspeed and control.
   
  Lesson for everybody:  Recovery from a takeoff engine failure requires 
an aggressive nose down push to preserve airspeed.
   
  Clean, it wasn't much better, in fact with the 914 at 65 knots the 
deck angle is close to 15 degrees and the results were a very rapid 
bleed off unless a push over to nose slightly below the horizon  (about 
5 degrees) was necessary to preserve airspeed.
   
  To the comments on the web regarding AOA and flight testing:
  A new pilot checking his aircraft out is not safe by adding equipment 
to help determine his AOA.  These systems require calibration and 
testing.  I doubt these folks had time to test and calibrate aircraft 
systems in flight test yet.  Un-calibrated equipment often times leads 
to more cockpit distractions early on.
   
  I have no data on this accident and doubt I or we will get much other 
than stall spin accident.
   
  My flight test comments are as follows:
  We know that in the preflight phase, Annex E for wing angles/tail 
plane angles and control throws is not enough.  Retract tests are 
essential to verify gear lock, flap position/operation, and outrigger 
lock operates full proof.  The engine and fuel system must be bullet 
proof at level and max angle nose up.  The fuel system must be able to 
go from empty to fully primed at max angle with only 5 gallons total 
(the main and reserve side holding 2.5 each across the saddle) in 5 
seconds or less.  Complete Wt. and Balance and a review of max forward, 
aft and test flight loads and CGs verified on the Wt and Bal form.  (I 
normally will fly with a minimum of 10 gallons US on test flights.)  The 
engine must run flawlessly idle to full and not overheat on the ground 
for 20-25 minutes running at summer time temps.
   
  The electrical system must be able to handle the load, and if there is 
a cockpit smoke situation, battery off, the engine must run with 
ignition only.  (914s don't forget the Aux pump operation.)
   
  All engine instruments and flight instruments/equipment (pitot and 
static) must be verified for accuracy and operation prior to flight. 
(Read as no red light distractions on takeoff or funky airspeed and 
altitude indications).  Trim must be checked and verified operational.
   
  All aux systems must be operational or placarded and left off. (Radio 
is a must, Transponder is often required, ELT operational, (I turn AOA 
and Autopilots off). 
   
  The night before, I chair fly and prepare for the flight.  I go over 
aircraft systems, test parameters, panel layout and specifics of complex 
electrical systems.
   
  Flight one is 15 minutes to check for runs drips and errors.  
(Immediate acceleration to 75 and climb at 90.) (Normally I can fly one 
of our planes hands off, feet only, half way down the 4000 foot strip 
above 50 feet.) Climb to 2500 feet or so and check the trim and rig from 
70 to 100 Knots.  Return to the pattern, 80 on downwind, no slower than 
75 in the turns, and no slower than 70 on final.  One of two low 
approaches if in a mono is OK.  Land and pull the cowl and inspect.   
Fix any and everything you found abnormal.
   
  Flight two expands the envelope to check engine climb temps and 
performance.  Check CS prop operation, and climb 3 mistakes high and do 
A/S verification, stalls, falls and pitch and roll stability.  Typically 
our engines are flawless so it is only a 45 minute flight.  If all goes 
well and we have good stall characteristics, go back and review the 
flight.   (I have needed stall strips on the root to get a good early 
burble feel prior to stall.
   
  Once I am convinced the pilot (who has normally flown in my aircraft 
for about 5 hours and is very current in other types) is ready, I 
prebrief with him and hand him the keys for a test hop.
   
  However, I have been guilty of flying a test flight early into the 
flight phase dual.  Confidence in the aircraft has to be extremely high 
to do this.  A thorough brief of what will happen if the engine quits on 
takeoff is a must.  The aircraft is the last thing I will attempt to 
save.  Two people flying an untested aircraft is too much exposure and 
sometimes weight.  ( My rule is the plane is not ready for test flight 
unless you are prepared to knock on the test pilots door and explain her 
husband is dead, and there was nothing that you could have done to make 
the aircraft safer.)
   
  Typically in the flight phase we go out dual and do stalls, slow 
flight, advance handling at minimum speeds and ascertain if the pilot is 
comfortable, the stalls are predictable and easily recognized.  ( I am 
the technical observer who is verifying airspeeds, pitch angles, stall 
buffet, system operation and calibration while the client flies.)  This 
is where the AOA, Autopilot etc. gets calibrated or rung out.  
   

  Frankly, my opinion is that an AOA systems in straight wing aircraft 
is a waste of money for me and I prefer a well installed stall strip 
(swept wing aircraft are different).  That said, after the 3rd 300 mile 
leg in 90F degree weather, sometimes it is nice to have "Bitching Betty" 
remind me that I am not paying attention.  Fatigue and complacency do 
set in to us all. 

  If one adds my vortex generators for STOL capability, watch your speed 
as the aircraft handles so well down to 50 Knots clean, you could be 
falling with style and not know it unless looking at the airspeed.  Here 
is where an AOA, Airspeed Warner like the Europa Stall indicator, and 
proper stall strip can be handy.

  Right now all I can do is pray for the families heartbreak and learn 
---From the lessons hard learned from previous aircraft accidents and my 
own experiences.   Then when appropriate, pass on the hard learned 
lessons to those who may benefit.

  Regards to all,
  Bud


   
    
   
   
   

   


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  Date: Sun, 11 May 2014 23:03:53 +0100
  From: grahamsingleton@btinternet.com
  Subject: Europa-List: Re: Europa-List: Re: Europa crash in 
L=C3=BCbeck/Germany
  To: europa-list@matronics.com


  Graeme
  I was refering to the Classic Europa wing. The section has a slight 
bump just
  under the LE which is very easily sanded off. The nose radius is also 
quite small,
  again easy to sand off even with a sheet of fine abrasive round the 
LE.Accurate 
  templates are essential and the plans version isn't accurate enough 
for these subtle
  curves. That's what was wrong with G-KWIP's wing. Always dropped L 
wing in a flaps down
  stall.
  Graham


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  From: graeme bird <graeme@gdbmk.co.uk>
  To: europa-list@matronics.com 
  Sent: Sunday, 11 May 2014, 18:57
  Subject: Europa-List: Re: Europa crash in L=C3=BCbeck/Germany


<graeme@gdbmk.co.uk<mailto:graeme@gdbmk.co.uk>>

  Interesting to hear that you can fly with a flap down; but for me a 
lot is going on just after take off, watching the gauges, the speed the 
VSI, changing prop pitch, unlocking to get the wheel up and pushing the 
leaver with the right hand etc - maybe the spring/tension is a bit off 
if its first flight, I am not sure how I would cope if there were to be 
a sudden roll at that point.

  Yep I also value Grahams wisdom and contributions; I am just thinking 
of the message, unintentionally, its sending to current builders. The 
fact is hundreds have been made by imperfect amateurs and the stall 
characteristics are one of the first things explored during the test 
flights.

  --------
  Graeme Bird
  G-UMPY
  Mono Classic/XS 912S/Woodcomp 3000/3W
  Newby: 105 hours 26 months on the Mono 
  g@gdbmk.co.uk


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