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> 1. 01:44 AM - Re: Power loss and Inspecting
>comments (Max Cointe)
> 2. 02:52 AM - Re: Power loss and Inspecting
>comments (Roland)
> 3. 02:59 PM - iPad Camara (Alan Carter)
> 4. 03:20 PM - Re: iPad Camara (John O'Connor)
> 5. 04:35 PM - Re: iPad Camara (Rob Housman)
> 6. 05:48 PM - Re: iPad Camara (Robert Borger)
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> ________________________________ Message 1
>_____________________________________
>
>
>From: "Max Cointe" <mcointe@free.fr>
> Subject: RE: Europa-List: Power loss and Inspecting
>comments
>
> Hi there all !
>
>
> Talking about compromise, what about drilling a hole in
>the plug of the
> filler as a vent (like the owner of Vega ULM located in
>our hangar has
> done
> on his wings). With the sight gauge connected to the
>cobra. Looks like
> so
> simple but I can=92t see the inconvenient=85
>
>
> Max Cointe
>
>F-PMLH Europa_TriGear
>
> Kit #560 912ULS Airmaster 450 hours
>
> <mailto:mcointe@free.fr> mcointe@free.fr
>
>
> De : owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] De la
>part de Bud Yerly
> Envoy=E9 : mardi 8 janvier 2013 05:20
> =C0 : europa-list@matronics.com
> Objet : Re: Europa-List: Power loss and Inspecting
>comments
>
>
> Paul,
>
> I make sure my drain for the cobra neck is a ways down
>the tube so the
> first
> time I know my tank is full (other than my sight gauge)
>is fuel runs out
> the
> vent / drain. This keeps the bugs out and the tube
>clean I guess. I
> put
> the vent inboard just enough to miss my toes on an
>overfill.
>
>
> Airplanes are 20,000 compromises flying in close
>formation. So we all
> have
> to put up with something. I have never had a problem
>with my vent tube
> or
> drain. But then again I have a trigear and operate off
>of asphalt. I
> too
> do not like fumes in the plane, so I make a metal elbows
>for the filler,
> use
> lined fuel tube, (R9 style), put drains under the tank
>bottom
> reinforcements, under my cockpit module where my pumps
>are, under my
> seats
> where the filters are so I know if I have a leak
>anywhere, and it all
> stays
> clean.
>
> My wheel pants are quite low for speed and so I avoid
>soggy grass
> strips.
>
>
> Those who complain about upper vent vs lower vent are
>living with other
> compromises. I just don't like them up there and
>because I tend to do a
> bit
> of spirited flying, fuel comes out of my upper drains if
>installed and
> fuel
> stains. They are tough to finish nice also, and the
>sight gauge vent
> tends
> to change the fuel level at different speeds. They are
>also tougher for
> the
> upholster to finish on the inside.
>
>
> It is all about compromises and preferences.
>
>
> Best Regards,
>
> bud
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
>From: Paul McAllister
><mailto:paul.the.aviator@gmail.com>
>
>
> Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2013 12:09 AM
>
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Power loss and Inspecting
>comments
>
>
> Bud,
>
>
> Thank you for your comments. Well thought out and
>valuable as always.
>
>
> I was one of the earlier pioneers of the system to route
>my filling vent
> and
> into the top of the cobra inlet. For the fuel tank /
>system vent I did
> something different again.
>
>
> I adopted the idea that Robin use and placed my vent in
>the backside of
> the
> wing root. At the time I thought this was a great idea,
>but over time
> perhaps its only a good idea, maybe not even that. The
>upside is that
> it is
> unlikely to be plugged by mud, but there are a number of
>downsides:
>
>
> - Once in a great while, if I over fill the tank, it
>will run out of
> this
> vent and out of the wing root over the flap. I inspect
>the flap
> regularly to
> make sure fuel has not got inside the core and dissolved
>the foam.
>
>
> - If I over fill the tank the fumes make there way into
>the flap drive
> slot
> during flight.
>
>
> - I have to take the wing off to inspect the vent which
>doesn't happen
> regularly. There is a slight risk on my area that an
>insect called a
> "Mud
> Dauber" can get in there.
>
>
> So, in conclusion, while these departures from the
>original design seem
> like
> a good idea there are often hidden consequences.
>
>
> Over the years I have become involved in inspecting and
>technical
> counselling for the EAA, and the experience of this
>community has taught
> me
> that fuel systems and modifications to them feature high
>on the list of
> accident causes.
>
>
> Cheers, Paul
>
>
> On Sat, Jan 5, 2013 at 10:40 PM, Bud Yerly
><budyerly@msn.com> wrote:
>
> Jim, and tibits for the rest of us:
>
> After the tire failure and the subsequent off roading
>mud and dirt
> experience while cross country, I commend you for your
>pursuit of the
> problem which cost you much time, and money. You knew
>you had a mud
> plugged
> vent, but an experienced guy like you missed the kinked
>vent line cause.
> So
> what's a normal guy to do?
>
>
> I had to ponder that we (really me), are always quick to
>assume an
> engine
> related problem is causing the power loss. You told me
>about finding
> the
> kink but I still assumed that you had a carb problem.
>You cleared the
> clogged vent, but who would have thought about the rest
>of the vent
> system
> and a possible kinked line when the plane has been
>flying for years. I
> am
> anal about fuel system install and operation, but once
>installed, I
> rarely
> look beyond making sure there is not chaffing or leaks.
>
>
> Added for all of us:
>
> Recently I just finished an extended annual and another
>fuel tank
> replacement / annual in a couple aircraft that I helped
>customers build
> back
> in 2002 and 2004. Interesting to note that on both
>aircraft, that they
> were
> past the 5 year hose replacement timeframe (we all dread
>that). In both
> aircraft I found that the vent line was kinked or
>compromised. In one
> of
> the aircraft when the upholsterer forced the fabric
>around the fuel
> cover he
> had forced the fuel cover over one of the polyurethane
>vent lines and
> over
> time the cover pushed on it nearly flat so it barely
>vented properly,
> and on
> the other, the vent line was perfect looking, but the
>hose was horribly
> brittle because the vent tube was made from clear Tygon
>tubing. Tygon
> is
> supposed to be completely impervious to fuel related
>problems. Duh,
> maybe
> not...
>
>
> In my old Europa Operators Manual there was the
>requirement to pull the
> fuel
> bosses off and flush the tank annually, which is quite
>tough, but never
> to
> check our vent system, and in the new ops manual, it
>only indicates to
> check
> and inspect for leaks. The 5 year recommendation for
>changing hoses is
> still there, but not the vent lines. Vent lines never
>get checked.
>
>
> As far as I know, you are the first with an underside
>vent that ever got
> plugged, however, you are the only mono I know of with
>the vent on the
> bottom and operate off of grass a lot. In the trigear
>the vent on the
> bottom is always clean, but your point of the oil
>overflow on the right
> side
> of the cowl exit and a centrally located vent will be a
>potential
> problem
> for oil, grime and dirt. I'll have to admit I will make
>sure my annual
> checklist is changed to check the vents.
>
>
> I prefer not to vent out of the top because with the
>motor glider in
> turns
> when trying to soar, the fuel sprays out of the vent in
>right turns. It
> also will vent fuel out if overfilled on a hot day in
>Florida and let
> set in
> the sun (especially a mono), which of course can ruining
>the paint.
>
>
> Inspecting an aircraft is not an exact science.
>Manufacturers and
> regulating agencies give only vague guidance. We are
>the manufacturer
> as
> the builder, so we set the guidelines for inspections of
>our aircraft,
> and
> if the kit manufacturer gives guidance, we the
>manufacturer of the
> aircraft
> should be more specific, not less to include info on our
>added systems,
> changes, modifications, and additional wear areas or
>time change items
> due
> to all the above. I'm in the US, and have my A&P use
>the FAA FAR 43
> Appendix D as well as the engine 100 hour checklist and
>I insist on him
> using the Kit Manufacturers guidelines such as the
>Appendix E of the
> build
> manual and Section 8 of the Ops manual when inspecting
>an experimental
> aircraft. Now, I have been accused of doing a complete
>rebuild instead
> of
> an annual inspection, but I am anal so that is my
>excuse, but on an
> experimental aircraft (especially one I didn't help
>build or maintain) I
> have found that there are many non standard items,
>routing conflicts
> between
> wiring, fuel lines, brake lines and control cables, as
>well as poor
> installation of equipment and structural construction
>mistakes that the
> builder and final FAA inspector missed on the initial
>Airworthiness
> Inspection. The FAA actually requires us, as US
>Experimental Aircraft
> Manufacturers, to have established maintenance and
>operations
> procedures.
>
>
> I am attaching my personal annual inspection checklist
>out in the open
> to
> show what we the builder can do to improve the
>inspections on our
> aircraft.
> I only just added an item to inspect the fuel vents
>since you called me
> about the problem weeks ago. I developed this checklist
>long ago,
> before
> becoming a Europa owner and just tailored it to include
>items in the
> Europa
> Section 8 inspection, the FAA and LAA recommended
>guidelines etc. I am
> preparing to submit some of this info in a condensed
>fashion in an
> updated
> Tech Support section of Europa's Website as well as some
>other notes we
> all
> should know when maintaining the Europa. Now this is my
>personal
> checklist,
> not for general dissemination as a Europa Directive, but
>provided for
> others
> to see that an annual inspection is not a walk around.
>But then again,
> it
> is not an IRAN (Inspect and Repair as Necessary) like
>the military does
> by
> completely disassembling every panel, inside and out,
>instruments,
> wings,
> engine, etc. and inspect, refurbish, service and repair
>all the above,
> it is
> however, more than a quick check for wrinkles in the
>skin, change the
> oil
> and sign it off.
>
>
> Great job of troubleshooting and thanks for the report
>Jim. Your
> findings
> and my recent observations have changed my annual
>checklist for sure...
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Bud Yerly
>
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> ________________________________ Message 2
>_____________________________________
>
>
> Subject: Europa-List: Re: Power loss and Inspecting
>comments
>From: "Roland" <schmidtroland@web.de>
>
>
> Hi Bud,
>
> how about refueling the Europa on a trailer at the gas
>station (I climb onto the
> trailer with the petrol nozzle)?
>
> This should be no problem, right?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Roland
> PH-ZTI
> XS Trigear 914
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=391794#391794
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 3
>_____________________________________
>
>
> Subject: Europa-List: iPad Camara
>From: "Alan Carter" <alancarteresq@onetel.net>
>
>
> Hello All.
> There is one place on this aeroplane i have been unhappy
>with , it the rear end.
> I am sure most owners feel quit OK with it, but i am
>not, so for me i want to
> do something to make me feel better,hence my question.
> I use an iPad GPS with WiFi for navigation, is there
>such a thing as a wireless
> camera with the transmitter in the actual camera, that i
>can mount on the rear
> top fuselage that will send video to my iPad.
> Small wireless camera that will work with iPad 3.
> Many thanks.
> Alan
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=391847#391847
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 4
>_____________________________________
>
>
>From: "John O'Connor" <jpoc@jpoc.org>
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: iPad Camara
>
>
> Try googling for ipad reversing camera and you will see
>that a lot of
> people are trying to do this. Some seem to have done it!
>
> jpoc
>
> On 09/01/13 11:58, Alan Carter wrote:
>>
>> Hello All.
>> There is one place on this aeroplane i have been unhappy
>>with , it the rear end.
> I am sure most owners feel quit OK with it, but i am
>not, so for me i want
> to do something to make me feel better,hence my
>question.
>> I use an iPad GPS with WiFi for navigation, is there
>>such a thing as a wireless
> camera with the transmitter in the actual camera, that i
>can mount on the rear
> top fuselage that will send video to my iPad.
>> Small wireless camera that will work with iPad 3.
>> Many thanks.
>> Alan
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=391847#391847
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 5
>_____________________________________
>
>
>From: "Rob Housman" <rob@hyperion-ef.com>
> Subject: RE: Europa-List: iPad Camara
>
>
> The WiFi version of one of these should work:
>http://gopro.com/ There were
> several aircraft on static display at AOPA Summit with
>GoPro cameras mounted
> in various locations.
>
> There is also a version of the Sony with WiFi, and a
>simple watertight case
> (with 1/4-20 female thread for mounting) is standard
>with this camera, plus
> it has a smaller profile (read: less drag)
> http://store.sony.com/p/Action-Cam,-Compact,-Rugged,-HD-video,-action-camcor
> der,-Go-Pro,-Skateboarding,-Cycling,-Hiking,-AS10/en/p/HDRAS10/B
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Rob Housman
>
> Irvine, California
> Europa XS
> Rotax 914
> S/N A070
> Airframe complete
> Avionics soon
>
> -----Original Message-----
>From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On
>Behalf Of John O'Connor
> Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2013 3:19 PM
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: iPad Camara
>
>
> Try googling for ipad reversing camera and you will see
>that a lot of people
> are trying to do this. Some seem to have done it!
>
> jpoc
>
> On 09/01/13 11:58, Alan Carter wrote:
>> --> <alancarteresq@onetel.net>
>>
>> Hello All.
>> There is one place on this aeroplane i have been unhappy
>>with , it the
> rear end. I am sure most owners feel quit OK with it,
>but i am not, so for
> me i want to do something to make me feel better,hence
>my question.
>> I use an iPad GPS with WiFi for navigation, is there
>>such a thing as a
> wireless camera with the transmitter in the actual
>camera, that i can mount
> on the rear top fuselage that will send video to my
>iPad.
>> Small wireless camera that will work with iPad 3.
>> Many thanks.
>> Alan
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=391847#391847
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 6
>_____________________________________
>
>
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: iPad Camara
>From: Robert Borger <rlborger@mac.com>
>
>
> Gents,
>
> I have a GoPro 2 with WiFi bakpak and the WiFi app on
>both my iPhone and iPad.
> I can verify that it works just fine on both. You can
>view the video from the
> camera and operate the camera controls from the iPhone
>or iPad.
>
> The only problem might be mounting the camera on the
>tail. It's not the most streamlined
> camera out there but other folks have mounted them on
>the wings and
> body of aircraft so there is probably a way to do it.
>
> Blue skies & tailwinds,
> Bob Borger
> Europa XS Tri, Rotax 914, Airmaster C/S Prop.
> Little Toot Sport Biplane, Lycoming Thunderbolt AEIO-320
>EXP
> 3705 Lynchburg Dr.
> Corinth, TX 76208-5331
> Cel: 817-992-1117
> rlborger@mac.com
>
> On Jan 8, 2013, at 6:34 PM, Rob Housman
><rob@hyperion-ef.com> wrote:
>
>
> The WiFi version of one of these should work:
>http://gopro.com/ There were
> several aircraft on static display at AOPA Summit with
>GoPro cameras mounted
> in various locations.
>
> There is also a version of the Sony with WiFi, and a
>simple watertight case
> (with 1/4-20 female thread for mounting) is standard
>with this camera, plus
> it has a smaller profile (read: less drag)
> http://store.sony.com/p/Action-Cam,-Compact,-Rugged,-HD-video,-action-camcor
> der,-Go-Pro,-Skateboarding,-Cycling,-Hiking,-AS10/en/p/HDRAS10/B
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Rob Housman
>
> Irvine, California
> Europa XS
> Rotax 914
> S/N A070
> Airframe complete
> Avionics soon
>
> -----Original Message-----
>From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On
>Behalf Of John O'Connor
> Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2013 3:19 PM
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: iPad Camara
>
>
> Try googling for ipad reversing camera and you will see
>that a lot of people
> are trying to do this. Some seem to have done it!
>
> jpoc
>
> On 09/01/13 11:58, Alan Carter wrote:
>> --> <alancarteresq@onetel.net>
>>
>> Hello All.
>> There is one place on this aeroplane i have been unhappy
>>with , it the
> rear end. I am sure most owners feel quit OK with it,
>but i am not, so for
> me i want to do something to make me feel better,hence
>my question.
>> I use an iPad GPS with WiFi for navigation, is there
>>such a thing as a
> wireless camera with the transmitter in the actual
>camera, that i can mount
> on the rear top fuselage that will send video to my
>iPad.
>> Small wireless camera that will work with iPad 3.
>> Many thanks.
>> Alan
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=391847#391847
>>
>>
>>
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