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From: uvtreith <uvtreith@tonline.de>
Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 15:35:22
Hi Raimo,


You are right. I will change the switches so that the green lights are 
on
when the bolts are engaged.

If the lights are not on it could be that the doors are not engaged (or 
one
of them), that the LED is dead or that something with the power supply 
is
not ok.

Thanks for that advice.


Best Regards,

Bruno


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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] Im Auftrag von Raimo 
Toivio
Gesendet: Montag, 6. Februar 2012 12:07
An: europa-list@matronics.com
Betreff: Re: AW: AW: Europa-List: Deformation of canopy


Hi Bruno, 


there is even more to think:


When green on, you know the bolts are in AND whole system is 
operational.


If green (should be red then!) off means bolts are in, how can you be 
pretty
sure system is ok? If you loose your microswitch or led or fuse your 
greens
are off and you think bolts are in but maybe they are not. Cannot be 
sure!


***

I give you an example:


We have a personal well water in our home. Sometimes in the spring time 
the
water level goes too low and there is a risk we run out of water. That 
is
really awful.


That is why I built a warning system like this:


1) We see two blue high bright leds in the house when we have water more
than enough.

2) We see only one blue led when there is still water but not so much 
= we
have to save it, no jacuzzi any more!

3) We see no leds at all when we have less than 500 litres water which 
is a
critical amount for us.


So, no led means save water OR system is somehow broken. Problems 
anyway.


System cannot jam (there are electrodes in the well) ' blue led meas 
surely
we have weter ' they cannot light if the electrodes are not in water.


***


Same w Europa=B4s doors and gears and similar ' better to have 
indication when
all is ok.


If you really wanna play w gizmos put greens when bolts are closed, 
orange
when open and reds + bell when open AND airborne or gear retracted (if 
you
have!). That what I did...fool proof.


Cheers, Raimo


From: uvtreith <mailto:uvtreith@t-online.de>  

Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 11:59 AM


Subject: AW: AW: Europa-List: Deformation of canopy


Hi Raimo,


In fact, my first idea was to use the green LEDs as you suggest. LEDs on 

doors closed. But than I thought, better no lights on when system is ok. 
But
you are right; green lights will give you a safer feeling. In my 
opinion, as
the rear door bolts are critical, switches on the rear bolts should be 
do
it.

I have seen your pippins to secure the handles. I will do the same for 
the
passenger side.

Have a nice and safe flight time too.


All the best,

Bruno


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Von: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] Im Auftrag von Raimo 
Toivio
Gesendet: Freitag, 3. Februar 2012 20:03
An: europa-list@matronics.com
Betreff: Re: AW: Europa-List: Deformation of canopy


Hi Bruno,


I elected to make a system which have two serial connected micro 
switches
per door. When they are BOTH IN I have a green led. When I have two 
green
leds I am pretty sure my doors are firmly closed. 


Otherwice, they are open OR system is somehow broken. Two Greens = The
System is operational = The Doors are closed.


Maybe you would like to have red lights (when doors are open) instead of
greens or change MS=B4s to be NO (normally open [when doors are open]) 
as I
have them.


I promise what more you see green lights when flying that happier you 
will
be (there are possibilities to have masses of green)!  ;)


***


Notice also my extra safety: there is also a pip-pin to prevent an 
unwanted
inflight door opening.


Just my =BD penny or how those englismen that says so gently and good 
luck for
you!


Raimo


Cheers, Raimo Toivio

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From: uvtreith <mailto:uvtreith@t-online.de>  

Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 6:51 PM


Subject: AW: Europa-List: Deformation of canopy


Hi Roland,


I would leave the door inside its door frame and would wait for warmer 
days;
maybe it will set by itself after a while. 

The best protection for this is to built in an advice. I will install in
springtime two micro switches mounted on an aluminium plate together 
with a
common carriage bolt (Schlo=DFschraube).

Please see attached pictures (just made for you). You have to make one
mirror inverted (spiegelverkehrt). The switch-bolt arrangement weights 
35
gramm each.

In my panel I have fitted two small green LED lights and the micro 
switches
are openers. When the door is correctly closed, the LED will go out.

Best Regards,


Bruno 


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Von: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] Im Auftrag von Roland
Gesendet: Freitag, 3. Februar 2012 12:32
An: europa-list@matronics.com
Betreff: Europa-List: Deformation of canopy


Hi all,


yesterday something embarrassing (and dangerous) happened to me. After
departure (already in 5000 ft) I noticed that the door on the 
copilot-side
was not locked on the rear side (I almost hear you saying: "that cannot
happen when you worked through the checklist prior take off"). You are 
so
right!


After the first shock (suddenly the appropriate passage of the POH came
crystal clear in my mind: "when the door springs open it will most 
likely
depart the aircraft") I asked my Co to pull the handle in front and I 
did
the same on the rear.


I was so lucky to land with my Europa as a whole!! When leaving the 
aircraft
my Co noticed a resistance when opening the door. It turned out, that 
the
frame on the top of the door seemed to be deformed in a way that the gap
between door and frame/roof became too small causing this resistance
approximately when half open (then the door frame contacts the roof 
frame) .
When complete open or closed everything seems normal. The hinges and 
screws
where it's mounted are apparently undamaged.  


Does anyone have a suggestion how to bring the door into a perfect fit
again?


Thanks for your input!


Regards

Roland


PH-ZTI

Trigear XS 

Rotax 914


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