Ron,
Thanks for the immediate response and detail.
I will store this with the rest of the information I am already compiling.
Regards
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: "rparigoris" <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2011 7:50 PM
Subject: Europa-List: Re: Maximum All Up Weights
> <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
>
> Hi Steve
>
> As far as flying with a higher than 1370 AUW and adjustments to CG here is
> some info I uploaded to the gallery from Nev and Andy:
>
> Andy:
> http://www.europaowners.org/forums/gallery2.php?g2_itemId=89065
>
> Nev:
> http://www.europaowners.org/forums/gallery2.php?g2_itemId=89068
>
> Here is my album on load testing:
> http://www.europaowners.org/forums/gallery2.php?g2_itemId=86987
>
> I spoke to a few pilots with Monowheels and 914/Airmaster flying well over
> 1500 Lbs, even at aft CG stated in the manual for 1370 and they said the
> plane flies OK, but doggier acceleration and climb but still acceptable.
> Andy and Nev said the undercarriage of the monowheel is the weak link (and
> of course you are eating into your reserve airframe strength). If your
> plan is to take off @ 1550 and burn fuel before landing, if you have a
> power failure after take off, good luck. One thing keep in mind as far as
> maneuvering speed goes, a higher weight increases the maneuvering speed
> (as far as the wings go anyway).
> Andy spoke of moving the CG ~ 1" forward of aft and ~ 1" aft of forward (I
> am going by memory, please read document closely to verify) if flying at
> 1450 AUW.
> I spoke to someone who spoke to the test pilot when test flying was being
> conducted of the Europa and flying with a more aft CG at 1370 AUW was very
> recoverable from a multi turn spin, but it spun up like a maple leaf and
> it was deemed a bad idea to allow a pilot with average skills to ever
> experience a spin of that nature and have the ability and skills for an
> effortlessly recovery.
> If you ever have an official flight test routine performed on a Europa, I
> for one would be very interested in seeing how a XS recovers from a multi
> turn spin recovery at 1450 with an aft CG as stated for 1370 lbs.
> The same goes for the glider wing. From what I understand Europa has a
> video of glider wing test flying and spin recovery. Several times my
> request for a copy was never complied with. Perhaps you may get better
> results and post on the Europa club website?
> I spoke with someone that said they talked with a pilot flying at either
> 1450 or higher AUW on a trigear XS with quite a bit aft of allowable 1370
> CG and it was quickly discovered when landing that quite a bit of forward
> pressure was needed on the stick at the flare, hence he would never fly in
> such a configuration again.
> I will just mention that for Glider wings, without modification to spar
> (but only after inspection as per SB) you can only fly slow and light. To
> fly faster and heavier, a spar mod and front lift pin socket mod must be
> performed. Info can be found on Europa's website, or I posted at the
> bottom of my Glider Information Gallery, SB 17, SB 18 and MOD 78. The
> lower ones are the latest and greatest as per today:
> http://www.europaowners.org/forums/gallery2.php?g2_itemId=81907
> My input finished.
> Ron Parigoris
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=349405#349405
>
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