Christoph,
that is a waste time of course but it is fun to "fight". Also for some
readers /followers.
It is always possible some one can find a hidden secret from these
debats.
R&D centers are monitoring this kind of lists also and they can find
ideas to make things better.
Jabiru or Rotax no matter but I am happy I have not Lycoming (320 "H"
engine) any more.
Raimo
ex Cessna-owner
----- Original Message -----
From: Christoph Both
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 7:08 PM
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: Europa-List Digest: 10 Msgs - 01/27/10
What a waste of time. Same for discussing if Apple is better than
Microsoft.
Much better to discuss which tool is best for the job. Let's stop
comparing Apples to Oranges. Or Toyotas to GM.
Christoph Both
#223
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Lawton
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 12:05 PM
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Subject: Europa-List: Re: Europa-List Digest: 10 Msgs - 01/27/10
>>>>>>OBTW very well said Mike we are supposed to be fellow
aviators!<<<<<<<
Hey David,
What you said here is the very crux of why I responded so forcefully
to ongoing, seemingly never ending, unfounded comments about Jabiru
<<reliability>> in the first place. Mike's comment echos my own
frustration. Those of you who responded to my comments about Rotax did
so exactly as I expected you would. You took the bait, hook, line and
sinker.
With the recent series of responses to my commentary regarding Rotax
vs. Jabiru it is patently obvious that the Rotax owners here who have
chimed in don't appreciate it one bit when I exaggerate failures that
have occurred with your Rotax engine. Why then is it acceptable behavior
for some here to repeatedly speak disparagingly of the Jabiru, more
often than not with no direct experience with the engine? Are we Jabiru
owners supposed to just sit here like potted plants and take it? Many
here seem to feel unrestrained to criticize my Jabiru, despite the fact
that they addmittedly have no practical experience with Jabiru engines.
Doesn't it make more sense to educate yourself, rather than perpetuate
exaggerated rumors?
Giles, Mike, and others, understand that I intentionally exaggerated
my comments about Rotax engine reliability, knowing full well that my
comments would tweek someone into chiming in. Turns out my comments
tweeked several folks, exactly as they were intended to do. To each of
you who took the bait, I thank you kindly for brilliantly illustrating
the very essence of my point. In the southern USA, we call that "hit dog
hollers". To quote a more common euphemism, what's good for the goose is
good for the gander.
We are indeed supposed to be fellow aviators here. This is why I find
the perpetual unfounded negative commentary about Jabiru engine
<<reliability>> so distasteful. We've all chosen to build and fly the
Europa for our own reasons. Likewise, we've also each chosen an engine
to power our Europas for our own reasons. We all should be encouraging
each other and helping each other where we can, rather than besmirching
the engine of choices of those of us that have decided to go with
something OTR (other than Rotax) with little or no basis in fact. Isn't
the purpose of this forum to share information, discuss issues and help
each other? My own motivation to participate in this forum certainly is
founded in this concept.
For whatever reason, Jabiru seems to be the forum whippin' boy and it
is long past time for it to stop. I and others who have decided to go
with the Jabiru don't appreciate the exaggerated disparaging comments
about our Jabiru engines any more than those of you who responded to my
exaggerated disparaging comments about Rotax engines do. As I said
initially, if you have specific issues you would like to discuss
regarding the Jabiru 3300 and the Europa, I'm happy to oblige. The
Jabiru 3300 is indeed a fine little engine, well suited for use in the
Europa. Is it perfect? No, but neither is the Rotax 9XX. I have nothing
to hide. I'm happy to share the knowledge I've gained over the past four
years of actual, hands on experience with this engine. I'm sure the
other Europa/Jabiru owners who read and participate in this forum are
likewise happy to share their own experiences. If you have a question,
by all means, ask! In any event, if you have no experience with Jabiru
engines you would be far better off to keep your unfounded negative
commentary and rumor mongering to yourself, rather than opening your
mouth and removing all doubt. The Rotax owners here who chimed in and
responded to my comments clearly expect me to govern myself in regard to
my commentary about your Rotax engine, keeping the commentary truthful
and above board.. All I am asking is that you do the same when it comes
to my Jabiru 3300.
I will now climb down off my soap box. Mission accomplished. (with a
little help from my friends)
Regards,
John Lawton
Whitwell, TN (TN89)
N245E - Flying
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-Listhttp://forums.matronics.com
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
|