Dear Europaphiles,
Happy landings for 2010.
When my wife takes her broom and flies at 2 feet above ground on public
roads, she doen't need an airworthiness certificate nor a license here in
Belgium. But when she will practice her sports by night over private
properties, then that may pose certain problems.(don't archive)
F-PKRL is built and owned in Belgium. You have to prove that the VAT is
payed on the materials. The reason for me was quite simple: in Belgium they
asked at that moment 2500 Euro for registration only. Here you may fly
foreign registrated airplanes at certain conditions: airworthiness
certificate and insurance for accepted types of aircraft (list with Europa).
Last year (2009 03 16) a special law was promulgated in Belgium for foreign
registrated aircrafts NOT having a valid airworthiness certificate (but
allowed to fly in their homeland) to fly in Belgium provided they do a
written request to the autorities. Under certain conditions (eg they can't
take more than 6 passengers) and other administrative restrictions it is
possible to fly even permanently. This only to demonstrate that
complications may occur once you are passing the national boundary.
Best regards,
Karel Vranken.
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> 1. 04:37 AM - Re: Foreign owner of British registered Europa (zwakie)
> 2. 06:35 AM - Re: Re: Foreign owner of British registered Europa
> (Frans Veldman)
> 3. 07:24 AM - Re: Re: Foreign owner of British registered Europa
> (Marcel Zwakenberg)
> 4. 11:26 AM - Re: Foreign owner of British registered Europa (Roland)
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> Subject: Europa-List: Re: Foreign owner of British registered Europa
> From: "zwakie" <mz@cariama.nl>
>
>
> > that it was an already completed aircraft I was looking at which had been
> flying
> several hundred hours on British registration
>
> You are doing exactly the same that I did about a year ago (my plane was
> completed
> and flying when I bought it), this is what I experienced :
>
> I did not have to do with Dutch authorities, except that I was told by
> Dutch CAA
> to get approval to fly my airplane in Holland (although that official point
> of view was open for debate since nobody was able to point me to the Law
> that
> said so).
>
> Please do realize that each country has different rules on flying
> foreign-registered aircraft within their airspace; check the "Flying From UK
> into Europe" document (http://www.europaclub.org.uk > For Pilots > Going
> Foreign > Permission to fly in European Countries) for details. Denmark is
> listed as not requiring special permission, that would make things easy for
> you.
>
> I'm not sure what you mean with "importation" in your original question.
>
> If you meant that you cannot transfer completed foreign homebuilts to the
> Danish
> register, how about leaving it on the foreign register and operate it from
> Denmark?
> (please read back my first reply for the most significant implications)
>
> This automatically leads to other possible interpretation of aforesaid
> "importation":
> If you mean that Danish Laws do not allow you to base and operate a foreign
> registered
> homebuilt (e.g. without doing a transfer to Danish register), I would
> recommend you to have Danish authorities show you the exact Article of the
> Law
> that tells you that you can't do that. I would be highly surprised if the
> Law
> would prevent you from doing so because to me that seems to be
> contradicting
> with several EC Laws; if this indeed is the case, buying a completed
> foreign homebuilt
> would not be an option to you.
>
> Regarding maintenance a.s.o. you will have to comply with UK Laws. All
> information on these to be found on www.caa.co.uk.
>
> Because UK CAA has delegated a lot of things regarding Class-A
> Permit-Aircraft to the LAA, you will be dealing with the LAA (
> http://www.lightaircraftassociation.co.uk/) quite a bit, most importantly
> for annual inspections and modifications approvals. Please realize that the
> LAA is a great resource for knowlegde and skills too (as is the Europa Club,
> membership of both are highly recommended when owning a Europa)!
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=280997#280997
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> From: Frans Veldman <frans@privatepilots.nl>
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Foreign owner of British registered Europa
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> On 01/11/2010 01:36 PM, zwakie wrote:
>
> > This automatically leads to other possible interpretation of
> > aforesaid "importation": If you mean that Danish Laws do not allow
> > you to base and operate a foreign registered homebuilt (e.g. without
> > doing a transfer to Danish register), I would recommend you to have
> > Danish authorities show you the exact Article of the Law that tells
> > you that you can't do that. I would be highly surprised if the Law
> > would prevent you from doing so because to me that seems to be
> > contradicting with several EC Laws; if this indeed is the case,
> > buying a completed foreign homebuilt would not be an option to you.
>
> It could be the case though, as the definition of "homebuilt" aircraft
> and associated laws differ from one country to the other.
> If it would be possible for UK-builders to register their airplane in
> the Netherlands, and still operate it in the UK, this would be an easy
> way to get approval for even the wildest mods to the airplanes. ;-) Why
> would anyone in their right mind register an airplane in a country with
> very limiting restrictions, like the UK, if there is actually no law
> telling you to do so?
>
> IS it actually possible to register your airplane anywhere, regardless
> of citizenship and intended country of operation, just to circumvent
> some local rules?
>
> Now my airplane with quite some mods has gone through the Dutch
> registration process, I could transfer it to British registration, so I
> don't have to invest in a mode-S transponder and 406 MHz ELT. That would
> give the best of both countries. All the mods approved, no useless
> avionics. :-D :-D :-D
>
> (Oh, and don't mis-interpret my remark about restrictions regarding
> mods. Of course I consider it worthwile to have mods double checked. But
> we all know that there are quite some innocent mods, applied by many
> others already, where the requirement to get individual approval is
> quite a nuisance. At least it seems so.)
>
> Frans
>
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> Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: Foreign owner of British registered Europa
> From: "Marcel Zwakenberg" <mz@cariama.nl>
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>
> > It could be the case though, as the definition of "homebuilt" aircraft
> > and associated laws differ from one country to the other.
>
> That's exactly why I suggested to do a thorough investigation on what
> Law prescribes, not only in Denmark but also for other countries in
> Europe.
>
> > If it would be possible for UK-builders to register their airplane in
> > the Netherlands, and still operate it in the UK,
>
> It may sound weird, but it seems possible to do just that: I know of at
> least one person from Germany that has an approved Dutch C/S reservation
> for his project.
>
> I agree with you on the potentials for 'regulation-circum-navigation'!
> IMHO, it clearly shows a lack of good airmanship when safety is
> sacrificed over regulations...
>
> Marcel
>
>
> PS
> I guess by now you're ready for PH-DIY's first flight? (if only the snow
> would disappear)
>
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> ________________________________ Message 4
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> Subject: Europa-List: Re: Foreign owner of British registered Europa
> From: "Roland" <schmidtroland@web.de>
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>
> The information I got from the German aviation authority (LBA) is, that
> it's legal
> to operate an experimental in Germany on a foreign register as long as it's
> an "ECAC-country" (to which Great Britain belongs). In my recall the same
> applies
> to the scandinavian and other ECAC-countries between each other reciprocal.
>
> But I'm quite sure, that the annual inspection has to be done in England.
>
> In due time I will also search on the british market for a used Trigear.
>
> Good luck!
>
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> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=281065#281065
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