I suspect you guys take life way to seriously.
The avionics are mostly sold (it was a joke) and the fact that the 'pro
campaign' send private hate e mail,
whilst the burnt and pensive send ' I know it happened/could to me' and the
faithful watch on and pray for
a cessation means that I should retire from the fray.
If you can't discuss things in an open fashion maybe you should
rename the discussion group 'the only one true way (Europa) group'
Strangely I had a perception that we all flew/wanted to fly aircraft
and the the truth and a sense of perspective were more important
than blind faith/denial of the facts.
peter
---From the Desktop Computer of Peter Bondar
Keepers Cottage, Thirsk, North Yorkshire
peter@bondar.co.uk
http://www.bondar.co.uk
tel: 01845 501062
fax: 01845 501067
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa@post.aviators.net
Subject: Re: Flame wars
Hi all
Another armchair comment.......here it comes!
May I just say that all comments are very much appreciated for
potential future builders BUT I'm not sure this crashing malarky is doing my
confidence in building a Europa in the future any good.
Life is one big challenge. Some just tackle it better than others!
PS - insulting "intelligent" people isn't going to make anyone buy any of
your avionics (this one is a fact on experience and current employment)
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Cliff" <john@crixbinfield.freeserve.co.uk>
Subject: Flame wars
> Forwarded from the bounce bin. Message is from
> "Peter Bondar" <peter@bondar.co.uk>
>
> ****************************************************
>
> Wow you guys do get techy!
>
> Let me make it clear, I like Europas and I think the trike version is very
> nice.
>
> With the personal benefit of hindsight I think the XS tri gear is a plane
I
> could have built and enjoyed flying.
>
> Yes I built a Banbi but I can assure you it is not a perfect plane either.
>
> What irritates me is when armchair opinions do not give an informed view
> of the issue.
>
> The facts are:
>
> more Europas have crashed/run off the runway/had a mishap/ than any other
> plane
> this side of a Cessna 172 and Warrior. Given how few are actually flying
the
> accident per hour record must be the worse on the British register.
>
> My insurance is getting priced out of reach because Europa monowheels keep
getting pranged.
>
> I got 600 reduction when I explained a Banbi was not a Europa!
>
> I just think that the monwheel has backfired dreadfully on Europa.
>
> It was one smart idea too many that was consumately marketed by Ivan
> and most of you guys drank the bathwater and judjing by your reaction
> are still drinking the bathwater. (But for the grace of god go I)
>
> I've sold my Banbi for a wacking loss because everybody get telling me
that
> they could pick up Europas for peanuts.
>
> A tour of hangars over the last 3 months had a Europa for sale on 4
> differnent airfields out of 5!
>
> My personal research unearthed 3 all going for way under 25k with pemit
> etc.
>
> The trike wheels stuff is baloney,
>
> if you seriously consider taking off in grass so long that small wheels
> vs big wheels makes a serious difference you either live on a Safari
reserve
> or you haven't got your CAA take off factors programmed in your noggins.
>
> In fact the accident record shows too many Europas never ever did get to
> take off speed!
>
>
> The Banbi shows that trikes don't have to go slow. Who won this years Sun
> and Fun? in the 100hp category.
>
> Being a marketing guy myself I know just how easy it is to fool most of
the
> people most of the time
> ( for which I repent), I just smile when I see it happening to what should
> be a bunch of smart people.
>
> But then they typically are the softest touch.
>
> So in summary what would you rather have?
>
> A steady turnover in disillusioned and frightened owners who have had one
> too many
> interesting spins, with a group of hard core experts real and otherwise
> hanging Churchillian in
> their defiance of the facts.
>
> Or a happy bunch of trike guys who merely prang them at the rate the rest
of
> the industry enjoys, ahem!
>
> Now can I interest you in a pile of spare avionics and other bits left
over
> from one expensive project?
> Visit http://www.bondar.co.uk
>
> Cheers!
>
> peter
>
>
> From the Desktop Computer of Peter Bondar
> Keepers Cottage, Thirsk, North Yorkshire
> peter@bondar.co.uk
> http://www.bondar.co.uk
> tel: 01845 501062
> fax: 01845 501067
>
>
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