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Re: Europa-List: Re: Main wing bushings

Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Main wing bushings
From: Bud Yerly <budyerly@msn.com>
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 22:43:16
Already being done sir.
bud
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  From: Duncan & Ami<mailto:ami-mcfadyean@talktalk.net> 
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  Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 5:28 PM
  Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: Main wing bushings


  Bud,

  It sounds like you could 'kill two birds with one stone' by adopting 
the design of fuselage reinforcements that the Swiss taildragger uses. 
If you've not seen these I'll send you an isometric sketch.


  Duncan McF


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tronics.com> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf 
Of Bud Yerly
  Sent: 24 January 2011 23:09
  To: europa-list@matronics.com
  Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Main wing bushings


  This topic is a moving target, a lot like fiberglass...

  Most of the flex of the spars is in the thinner section reaching 
maximum nearing the spar socket area.  The spar at the root does not 
move, and the forward root rib is really quite stiff, the aft root rib 
portion is not as high so it tends to flex a bit as stated.  The 
fuselage side on the other hand is a bit flexi.  After repairing a 
couple aircraft, the aircraft flexing spots tend to be the area just 
behind the rudder pedal step, just forward of the windscreen on hard 
landings (when the floor flexes), and between the front socket and the 
spar.  Interesting thing is the Redux did not let go in any of the 
mishaps.  Tough stuff.


  Those looking at conventional gear, we must do considerable work to 
try to get the landing gear loads closer to the fuselage sides to carry 
the torsional load of the cantilever gear.  The cockpit module seat is 
not quite up to the task.  To get a proper stance on the gear (read as 
taller in height), the moment between the wheel and the fuselage on 
rough surfaces is quite high, and a thin beam gear verses a wider gear 
beam and the actual attach mechanism has to be analyzed and tested 
properly.  

  All in due time. 

  Bud

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    From: Duncan & Ami<mailto:ami-mcfadyean@talktalk.net> 

    To: europa-list@matronics.com<mailto:europa-list@matronics.com> 

    Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 4:58 PM

    Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: Main wing bushings


    <<.. would stiffen the structure in such a way that it could lead to 
overloading of the forward lift pin >>


    .Ian,

    How does that work, if the lift pins are designed to carry the lift 
loads in the first place, there being no greater load available?!

    Actually, it was stiffening in bending that might restrain rotation 
of the lift pin that was the issue, resulting in an additional bending 
load (not lift load) being applied to the forward lift pin. The LAA were 
offered a spherical socket that would articulate and remove the bending 
load on the pin, but declined to accept that.


    However, you are on right path, The earlier discussion in this 
thread presumes that the spar flexes, as it indeed doe. But actually the 
spar (loaded in this direction) is the least flexible part of the whole 
system. What about the forward and aft portions of the root rib? Let's 
say these ribs have equal section and 'I' as the spar, but being laid-up 
at +/- 45 degrees have x1.41 the elasticity of the unidirectional spar 
(in the direction of principal stress), added to which the length of 
these flexing root ribs (between lift pin and spar) is longer than the 
offset between lift pins and spar pins. So, as the root ribs will flex 
more than the spar and it follows that the "leverage" effect between the 
longitudinal offset of lift pin and spar pin centres is removed, or 
reversed to the extent that the spar pins share some lift load. 


    As you say, the flexing of the fus side also contributes, albeit 
this had to be stiffened-up to prevent pin disengagement.


    Previously I have put a small finger down one of the (1/2") spar pin 
holes with the wings rigged, while someone else rather violently loaded 
the wing, albeit not even near to 1g. But there was no hint of the 
"leverage" effect or the spar hole flexing downwards relative to the pin 
hole in the seat back.


    Rgds.,

    Duncan McF.


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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of G-IANI
    Sent: 24 January 2011 12:34
    To: europa-list@matronics.com
    Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: Main wing bushings


    In support of Bud and Pete's notes I can confirm that flexing of the 
fuselage is important.  The LAA had considerable concerns that the tail 
dragger conversion would stiffen the structure in such a way that it 
could lead to overloading of the forward lift pin.


    Ian Rickard G-IANI XS Trigear, 300hours
    Europa Club Mods Specialist
    e-mail g-iani@ntlworld.com 


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